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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

I will speak quickly, convener. I will put my question to ACC Paton, if I may. Section 297 of the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003 gives the police powers to remove

“a person ... in a public place ... to a place of safety”

if they reasonably believe that there is

“a mental disorder”

and some other conditions apply. The police cannot remove the person from their home, and such removal requires there to be a mental disorder, which police officers are not necessarily trained to assess. I go back to Dr Steel’s point that police officers often respond to mental distress rather than mental disorders. Should the committee consider whether the 2003 act needs to be amended or improved to help you to do your job?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

On that point—

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Liam Kerr

I will be very quick, convener. On that point, ACC Paton, you have talked a lot about the improvements and the good work that is going on, but ASPS and the SPF were very clear that that is not necessarily translating to the front line. If I ask them in a year’s time whether that has improved, will they tell me that there has been a tangible improvement at the operational level?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liam Kerr

A similar question occurs to me. You said that there was a potential gap; however, earlier in your remarks, you said that it has become apparent that the change is needed. That rather implies that there have been some cases in which the police have been hamstrung or perhaps less able to put together an application. Is that correct? If so, are you aware of any negative consequences of this change not having been in place already, such that it is now needed?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liam Kerr

I understand. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Liam Kerr

It is indeed an unusual approach. You have said that we all want to see progress and that there has been plenty of engagement with victims groups, but last week, Victim Support Scotland told the committee that it was worried that the introduction of a new victim contact team was

“counterintuitive, potentially costly and potentially unnecessary”.—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 4 December 2024; c 24.]

Therefore, there is at least a risk that you might be lodging amendments that do not have the support of victims organisations. We do not even know what this is going to look like. What would be your response if it turned out that victims groups were not supportive of the detail of the amendments?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Liam Kerr

That is not what I asked about, however; I asked what your response would be if it turned out, once you had lodged the amendments, that victims groups were not supportive of what you were proposing.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Liam Kerr

Right, but I think that the concern is that you made your announcement in early October, which means that we are now two months down the track; the amendments that you speak of will be lodged sometime in January; and you are still unable to give the committee a figure for how much this might cost Government and the taxpayer. By all means respond to that point, but another concern is that, as I am sure that you will concede, the measure will cost something. There will be both set-up and on-going costs, and they will need to be drawn from a budget. Therefore, my question is, from which budget will those costs come, and is there a risk that they will be cannibalised from funds for justice partners?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Liam Kerr

Your press release does not say who, or which agencies, will be on the victim contact team. Will you help us to understand who will be on it?