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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning, panel. I will direct my first question to Dr Lowes. I was quite surprised to hear you say that North Sea gas might run out by 2035. I presume that that is a reference to the North Sea Transition Authority’s discussion of investment rather than reserves. I wonder if you would clarify that, before we set any hares running.

On that point, gas currently generates about 36 per cent of UK energy and, as I understand it, imported gas is the last unit bought to satisfy demand. That contributes to the overall price. Imported liquefied natural gas, for example from Qatar, has two to three times the carbon footprint of gas that is locally generated. Does it therefore stand to reason that one way to reduce energy prices and push us on the journey to net zero, while demand exists, is to ensure more domestic gas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

I am grateful to all the witnesses.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

I will stick with you, Tim, for my final question. Thank you for that interesting answer, in which you talked about the next five years on nuclear. You may not be able to answer the question, in which case, if any of the other panellists can do so, I would be grateful.

In January, I asked the Scottish Government what impact closing Hunterston B and Torness would have on consumer energy bills. The Scottish Government was unable to tell me, because apparently it has not modelled that. I went on to ask what the price is of electricity generated by Hunterston B and Torness, in an attempt to reverse engineer the answer. However, again, the Scottish Government does not know the answer to that, which I find rather surprising. Do you have that data, or could any of the other panel members source it? In any event, can you theorise what impact shutting those two generation stations in Scotland might have on consumer energy bills?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

Just for the avoidance of doubt, I point out that I was quoting figures from the Scottish Parliament information centre blog “Energy price crisis—impacts and remedies in Scotland”.

My second question is for Tim Lord. Again according to SPICe, one of the key drivers of the recent increase in the wholesale price of gas was

“a relatively windless summer in 2021”,

which

“made it difficult to generate wind energy”.

Tim Lord said earlier that we need another reliable way to satisfy demand, and Dr Lowes referred to the National Grid’s “Future Energy Scenarios”, which specifically suggests that nuclear might be a significant part of our journey to net zero. What is your view, Tim? Is nuclear generation that reliable source? What impact could new nuclear have on the price for consumers if it can provide a reliable baseload?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That is not your only duty, is it, Mr Hebblethwaite? As a company director, you have fiduciary and legal duties. What I asked was whether you consider yourself to be a fit and proper person who is discharging not merely the duty that you just mentioned but the full raft of fiduciary duties for your company, given that you wilfully and knowingly took a decision to offend against one of the strongest laws that Parliament has put in place.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I will ask part of that question again. Did you give them guarantees?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Yes, but have you not just said that you would have ignored any such order from a tribunal?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Mr Hebblethwaite, I understand that there are a number of land-based employees of P&O, many of whom are based at Cairnryan. Does P&O have any strategic plans, whether finalised or in draft, that would impact on those employees in some way? Obviously if they are to be restructured, transferred under the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations, or dismissed, they will be legitimately concerned.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Thank you. Moving on, I will direct follow-up questions to Grant Tierney and the two Ians at the CITB.

In answer to the last question, Gordon Nelson talked about the need to develop a plan or a co-ordinated strategy. The Scottish Government and Skills Development Scotland published a climate emergency skills action plan in December 2020, which presumably aims to achieve what Gordon has rightly suggested that we need to achieve. That begs the question: what engagement have your organisations had with the action plan? Are any of you on the implementation group, for example? In your view, is the plan on track to ensure that the necessary skills are in place to support our transition to a net zero economy? If not, who needs to act and what needs to happen?

That is for Grant Tierney first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Thank you, Grant. That was an interesting answer. As a part of that, do you have any comment on the climate emergency skills action plan from December 2020? How has that impacted your organisation? Most importantly, is the plan on track, as far as you are aware?