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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

Good morning. Deborah, I will take you to the witness citation review, which is a considerable undertaking and output.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

In summary, it gives a pretty frank assessment of the process, which, to pick up Craig Naylor’s words in his submission to us, is

“antiquated, paper‑based and inefficient, with substantial negative impacts on witnesses and policing capacity.”

That is some conclusion.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

You then told us that you have no power to compel anyone to carry those out. Do you have any sense of whether what you have recommended is actually happening? Craig Naylor talked about email and the digital trial scheduling solution. Will that happen? Who will lead on that from these organisations? Who will pay for it, particularly the digital trial scheduling solution?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

It is a very interesting answer, which I will follow up on, if you do not mind. You mentioned recruitment and retention as well as issues with exhaustion. Have you discovered whether those pressures have an impact on the safety of the staff in prisons and/or the prisoners, and do you have a solution to the recruitment and retention challenges?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

Have you picked up on any impact on the safety of staff and prisoners?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

I will stay on that point. You talked about the considerable consequences of what has been going on. You mentioned the fact—which Mr Naylor talked about, too—that personal service of citation demands have a significant impact on police workloads. It reduces the time that they have for front-line duties, which is something that the committee has been concerned about more generally. Deborah O’Brien Demick has just talked about there being no structural issues and said that there are groups in place, but there is no regular agenda item on citation.

The report also says that there is a

“lack of oversight, leadership, governance, strategy and monitoring of the citation process across both organisations.”

Given that the committee has heard an awful lot about funding and resource pressures on the organisations and the need to stop excessive or unnecessary spending and time taken on unnecessary activities, what did you find was being done prior to your review to address those things? Alternatively, do you get the sense that the lack of oversight and leadership that you have referred to led to nothing material being done until you had to produce a report to say, “You need to deal with this”?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

On a related matter that your report says you found concerning, you highlighted an unauthorised practice of bulk deletions when machines are rebooted and said that it could have a significant impact on victims and accused. You made 10 recommendations in your report, but you made specific recommendations about that practice. Can you tell the committee what they are, directly related to that practice? I acknowledge that your report was published only yesterday, but is there any indication of whether those recommendations will be taken on board and acted on?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

Good morning. I have a question on staffing and the officers in our prisons. Your recent inspection activity has highlighted that there are considerable pressures on the staff in prisons, and that that has an attendant impact on the regimes that are operating. Can you set out for the committee what those staffing challenges are and what pressures they are facing? What impact do those staffing pressures have on the operation of prison regimes?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Liam Kerr

Finally, on that exact point, Deborah O’Brien Demick, you said in your opening remarks that there were two key recommendations: first, that the Crown Office should use email to cite witnesses, and secondly, that the Scottish Government should work with the Crown Office and justice partners to develop a digital trial scheduling solution.