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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Colin Smyth

Is there a gap there at the moment? Retailers have been so used to their footfall coming from people walking up the high street that they might not be aware of such opportunities. Do you detect that there is a gap—an untapped resource, if you like, of businesses on our high streets that could benefit more from having that digital reach?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Colin Smyth

Neil, is it realistic to think that we will have a team of businesses on our high streets that will reach out to international markets from the back of the shop to make up for the fact that they are not getting as many people coming in through the front door?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Colin Smyth

I want to follow up that point with Mr Francis. You are effectively saying that, simply because of the displacement issue, Scottish Enterprise’s role and focus in our town centres is entirely on economic growth rather than inclusive growth, which means that there is no support for retail in our town centres.

One of the messages that we are getting is that our town centres need to change—that they need more cultural facilities, for example. Are you really saying that, because of your remit—which might differ from that of Highlands and Islands Enterprise and South of Scotland Enterprise, which have that social element—you do not see a role for Scottish Enterprise in supporting a high street business?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Colin Smyth

Perhaps I can follow that up with David Lonsdale. Martin Newman has just said that bigger retailers, many of which I suppose are your members, are now more interested in the high street. Is that what you are seeing? We have spent a lot of time allowing out-of-town developments, which, arguably, have had a devastating impact on town centres. Are your members taking an interest in the town centre again and wanting to reverse that trend, or do we have to take further action to stop out-of-town developments?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Colin Smyth

That is helpful.

My next question is for Paul Gerrard. You talked about how Scotmid weathered the pandemic storm and, in many ways, delivered in our town centres. What will help to ensure that that continues?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Colin Smyth

That is the nature of online meetings. We are used to lots of noise.

Much of the evidence that we have heard so far highlights the fact that the future of our high streets may include fewer big retailers, a lot more smaller independent shops and growing online sales. What does that mean for trade unions, first on the issues of organisation and recruitment and then in supporting the fair work practices that are important to unions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Colin Smyth

I want to bring Bryan Simpson in on a similar point. Bryan, you mentioned the impact of the pandemic on the hospitality sector through job losses at a time when supporting fair work has probably never been more important. What impact has the pandemic and the changing face of our high street had on trade union representation and the fight for fair work? Has it made it more challenging for you to organise in workplaces?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Colin Smyth

Could any Scottish Government policy enable the strengthening of that organising?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Colin Smyth

The Scottish Government’s recent retail strategy highlighted the example of Scotmid and USDAW working together. What did that involve and how can we ensure that other retailers, pub chains and food and drink providers can follow that example?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Colin Smyth

We recently took evidence from Professor Leigh Sparks, who said:

“We have spent at least 50 years damaging our town centres.”—[Official Report, 30 March 2022; c 3.]

Do the witnesses agree with that? More important, how do you think that damage can be reversed? I appreciate that you have touched on some of those ideas already, but do you have any other ideas on how we could reverse that damage? Do you agree with Professor Sparks’s commentary about what we have done over the past 50 years?

I will ask Martin Newman to start the discussion.