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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

That would be helpful—thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

For the Official Report, I can say that there were nods there: everybody agreed with that point.

On another area of procurement and fair trade, we heard evidence last week from the Scottish Fair Trade Forum. Scotland is a fair trade nation, South Lanarkshire and Aberdeenshire are Fairtrade zones, and Aberdeen city and the city of Edinburgh are Fairtrade cities. I suppose that, as part of your procurement strategy, you have to include a statement of general policy on fairly and ethically traded goods and services.

The Scottish Fair Trade Forum did a report a couple of years ago based on freedom of information requests to local authorities regarding spend on fair trade products. That was £2,644 for Aberdeen city for the 2021-22 financial year, £7,260 for Aberdeenshire, £3,756 for Edinburgh and £28,668 for South Lanarkshire—so South Lanarkshire was top of the table. However, I suspect that the level of spend on fair trade in each of your authorities is higher than that. Why are those figures not higher?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

If you have a general policy commitment on fairly traded goods, how do you monitor it if you do not hold or publish that information in a usable way?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

I wish to follow up on some of the points that have been raised. Local authorities have mentioned

“the challenges in monitoring and capturing this data in respect of sub-contractors and the wider supply chain”

once a contract has begun. They pointed out that,

“At contract evaluation stage, the evaluation panel will consider Fair Work First responses submitted by the principal contractor”,

but the council does not have the resources to follow that up through monitoring what actually happens with subcontractors.

I will start with you, Rob and Joe, as you spoke a wee bit about some relevant discussions. How do you monitor the delivery of fair work principles when you have a big capital project that might have gone to a contractor and that could be subcontracted in a whole range of ways? How do you know that the subcontractors are delivering on those principles?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

Gordon, feel free to comment on how you monitor what happens beyond the main contractor. It is no secret that the NHS is facing huge financial challenges—my local health board has just announced that it has a £35 million deficit this year alone—and procurement must be one of the ways in which you are seeking to find savings in the health service. At the end of the day, price must be the absolute driver when it comes to delivery. To what extent are you using procurement to try to make the significant savings that you are having to make? What effect does that have on other issues such as fair work and the environment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

I turn to Gordon Beattie. The fact that there is a mixed bag in the NHS probably comes down to monitoring as much as anything else. People do not always measure the full range of fair trade goods that they buy. Is that a challenge for the health service? Are you even asked to do that at the moment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Colin Smyth

David Livey is nodding. Is there anything else that we can change in the process to better embed fair work?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Colin Smyth

Yes. Are they put off by the requirements? We want to embed fair work across the board, so we must break down the barriers.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Colin Smyth

The definition is a clear barrier to achieving that but are there any other barriers? Is there an awareness barrier, with public sector bodies not realising that the local authority or the Scottish Government supports fair trade? Is there a barrier when those who carry out the procurement work simply do not think about fair trade when they are pursuing particular contracts?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Colin Smyth

I would like to follow up on the point about fair work. To what extent have the 2014 act and the changes to the procurement process helped to embed fair work? We have talked about the fact that the main barrier is the absence of multiyear funding, but to what extent has the 2014 act embedded fair work in the practices not only of the awarding authorities but of the organisations that bid for contracts? I take on board the issue of multiyear funding, but what else can we do within the process to expand the adoption of fair work?