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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Rona Mackay

Good morning, panel members. I am not sure whether this question is for David Fraser or Laura Buchan. For context, how much evidence by commission is being done at the moment? What is the percentage?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Rona Mackay

I take your point. However, we as a committee will be able to judge that, because we speak to victims and victims organisations, and they are not telling us that a lot has improved. Obviously, we will be able to monitor how effective all of that is.

Chief Superintendent Frew, you said in your submission that the training required for trauma-informed practice “will require significant investment”, and the submission raises significant concerns. Everyone has said that they are well down the road of doing that, so why is significant investment required? Can you give me an idea of why that was raised?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Rona Mackay

I get that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Rona Mackay

It is all interlinked.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Rona Mackay

Laura Buchan, your submission said a similar thing, but it sounds like you are well down the road to trauma-informed practice. Therefore, why would that need lots more investment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Rona Mackay

I want to give a wee update. Stuart Munro mentioned the bairns’ hoose. For the record, the Scottish Government has put £6 million into funding six bairns’ hooses. Those are in Fife, north Strathclyde—that one was mentioned—Aberdeenshire, Aberdeen city, Tayside and the Outer Hebrides. They are coming down the line, which is good news.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Rona Mackay

Good morning, panel. I will ask Stuart Munro my first question, then go on to Jamie Foulis.

Stuart, I want to pick up on something that you said. You are concerned that the legislation could have no practical effect and that the change would not filter down and so on. Could you put some context around that and expand on what you mean? It is incumbent on the legal profession and solicitors to carry out legislation that is passed here, so could you expand on what you meant by it having no practical effect?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Rona Mackay

I am sorry to interrupt you. Should the onus of that not be on you in the legal profession to make sure that they have it?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Rona Mackay

Jamie Foulis, you said in your opening statement that you are broadly in favour of a commissioner and that, in your view, they could be there to represent the interests of victims or witnesses. Given the fact that they cannot be involved in individual cases, how effective do you think that would be? Would your preference be that they were involved in individual cases?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Rona Mackay

You have said that things have been changing over the years, but I am talking about recent accounts of complainers’ experiences in the courts. Either what you have said is not happening or there is no judicial intervention, but something has to change.