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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 13 December 2023
Rona Mackay
Thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 6 December 2023
Rona Mackay
Good morning. Joe, I want to pick up my colleague’s point about reasonable doubt. As I understand it, in order for a case to come to court, there must be reasonable evidence. If that evidence cannot be proved, the verdict must be “not guilty”. That is a simplification, but that is how I see it.
You also made a point about not knowing what the jury majority was in a not proven verdict. I had not even thought about that. As you put it, that muddies the waters even more. I agree with that.
I want to ask you both about not majorities but jury size. For the record, would you keep it at 15, or would you make it 12?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 6 December 2023
Rona Mackay
—and that, after decades of campaigning, there is still confusion. That speaks volumes.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 6 December 2023
Rona Mackay
That must have been difficult.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 6 December 2023
Rona Mackay
You prefer 12.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 6 December 2023
Rona Mackay
I do not have much more to ask, but I echo my colleague Russell Findlay’s comments to you, Mr Duffy, about your campaign. It is astonishing that, even after all your work, families still do not understand what the not proven verdict is—
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 November 2023
Rona Mackay
Good morning. Does the judge explain what not proven is at any point in a real courtroom, either in his summing up or in direction? That is my first question. I genuinely do not know what is actually said.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 November 2023
Rona Mackay
I know—I just thought that, with your background, maybe you would have a view.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 November 2023
Rona Mackay
I accept that—I understand. That is fine.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 November 2023
Rona Mackay
So, when you heard jurors deliberating in the mock trials, did you hear them say, for example, “I don’t think there is enough evidence for that, so we might as well say that it is not proven.”?