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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Thank you for being honest about that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

I will stick to the theme of training, because I think that that is vital and crucial. Phil Fairlie, you said that you do not have a problem in recruiting but that people are not staying because it is not the job that they thought it would be. I understand that the prison service here has a much shorter training period than international examples do, and I am quite astonished by some of the things that you said to Sharon Dowey about the lack of medical training. Should the training be lengthened? You said that it should be completely revised to take in the new circumstances that your officers are having to deal with. I take the point that the officers are not medically trained. Are you saying that the training needs to be revamped from the roots up?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

That does not happen.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

That is interesting.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Of course—I agree. Is it possible to deliver trauma-informed training within a prison, and is it realistic? Are the officers suitably trained to take a trauma-informed approach?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Roughly how often do such incidents occur during the night? I know that you cannot say exactly.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Okay. That is interesting.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Do you think that your staff would appreciate more complex training on those issues? Has it moved on from when drugs were not as much of a problem as they are today?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Although some remand prisoners are there for some time—they are not just in and out.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

My colleague Liam Kerr mentioned the “Breaking Point” report by your association. In that, you say that searches do not always take place because of a staff gender imbalance. Could you expand on that and the impact that it has if you are not able to do the number of searches that you would want to do?