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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I just wanted to go back to the quashing question. Why did you go down the route of quashing and not pardoning. Is there any particular reason?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

To pick up on the convener’s line of questioning, international opinion or evidence conflicts with what you said about the success of the Nordic model.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

It was on, I think. I was probably just leaning away from it.

You will also be aware that a substantial body of sex workers do not agree with your proposals. In fact, recently, there was a delegation outside the Parliament protesting about it. Obviously, there is a difference of views.

In addition, the internet is now used much more widely for the purchase of sex. Some sex workers say that your bill will make them less safe. At the moment, they can screen buyers on the internet. They differentiate between bad clients and good clients. They fear that, if your bill becomes law, they will be left with bad clients who are more likely to abuse them, because those clients do not care about the law and will break the law anyway. There is some fear among sex workers that the bill will make them less safe. I put their case to you for comment. It is not my opinion.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I am sorry to interrupt. Do you know that ASSIST—the advocacy, support, safety, information and services together project—and other organisations go into schools?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Are you expecting teachers to provide the education that you are talking about? Have you engaged with any of the teaching agencies?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I will raise one final wee thing: one sex worker said that she fears that the proposals will make her less safe, and she does not want her body to be seen as a crime scene. You can develop that way of thinking if you are involved in that trade.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

There is a huge difference between quashing and pardoning.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Are you not able to define that for the Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Yes—it is just a small question on what Agata Maslowska said about the most serious sex offenders.

What criteria are you using for that? What constitutes a serious offender? Is it somebody who has been convicted and sentenced to a certain length of time?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Okay. I want to move on to training in schools. I think that what you are suggesting is very vague. I am all for early education on the subject in schools, but we need to know who would design the schemes. Would teachers do that, or would you bring in specialists? Also, if such training were to be done properly, it seems to me that the cost would be substantial. Can you say more about who would design it and who would carry it out?