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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Groups

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Rona Mackay

My initial reaction is that I am delighted that the change is happening. Deafblind Scotland is based in my constituency, and it is a fantastic organisation. It is good that the dual sensory impairment is being recognised, so I am absolutely for the change. I am not opposed to the idea of the CPG merging with the one on visual impairment, but I am absolutely happy about changing the purpose of the CPG on deafness.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I will raise one final wee thing: one sex worker said that she fears that the proposals will make her less safe, and she does not want her body to be seen as a crime scene. You can develop that way of thinking if you are involved in that trade.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I am sorry to interrupt. Do you know that ASSIST—the advocacy, support, safety, information and services together project—and other organisations go into schools?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Are you expecting teachers to provide the education that you are talking about? Have you engaged with any of the teaching agencies?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Are you not able to define that for the Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I will move on to ask about the rehabilitation programme. Pam Gosal, do you think that there is currently adequate provision of domestic abuse programmes—either in prison or in the community—to meet the demand that could arise if your bill were to be passed? I ask that question because it says in one of our papers:

“the requirement for assessment applies to anyone convicted of a domestic abuse offence, regardless of whether this took place before the enforcement of this section of the Bill.”

That would open it up to an awful lot of people. Are you confident that there is adequate provision for the extra people that that would bring into a rehabilitation pathway?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I just wanted to go back to the quashing question. Why did you go down the route of quashing and not pardoning. Is there any particular reason?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

To pick up on the convener’s line of questioning, international opinion or evidence conflicts with what you said about the success of the Nordic model.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

It was on, I think. I was probably just leaning away from it.

You will also be aware that a substantial body of sex workers do not agree with your proposals. In fact, recently, there was a delegation outside the Parliament protesting about it. Obviously, there is a difference of views.

In addition, the internet is now used much more widely for the purchase of sex. Some sex workers say that your bill will make them less safe. At the moment, they can screen buyers on the internet. They differentiate between bad clients and good clients. They fear that, if your bill becomes law, they will be left with bad clients who are more likely to abuse them, because those clients do not care about the law and will break the law anyway. There is some fear among sex workers that the bill will make them less safe. I put their case to you for comment. It is not my opinion.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

There is a huge difference between quashing and pardoning.