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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Good morning. I have a couple of questions that follow on from those of my colleague Liam Kerr.

Phil Fairlie, you said that staff are able to spot vulnerable people. How easy is it for you to spot the protagonists or the key figures who are actually organising drug supply within the prison estate? When and if you do spot them, what kind of punishment do they get?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Is that a growing problem, or has it always been like that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

How long is the training period?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Just to clarify, your prison has a triage system that they can call at any time during the night if they are worried. For other prison estates, as you understand it, the duty officer has to make a judgment. What do they do? Are they able to administer any medical—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Does that mean administering it as it is needed instead of leaving it with them?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Thank you for being honest about that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

I will stick to the theme of training, because I think that that is vital and crucial. Phil Fairlie, you said that you do not have a problem in recruiting but that people are not staying because it is not the job that they thought it would be. I understand that the prison service here has a much shorter training period than international examples do, and I am quite astonished by some of the things that you said to Sharon Dowey about the lack of medical training. Should the training be lengthened? You said that it should be completely revised to take in the new circumstances that your officers are having to deal with. I take the point that the officers are not medically trained. Are you saying that the training needs to be revamped from the roots up?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

That does not happen.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

That is interesting.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Of course—I agree. Is it possible to deliver trauma-informed training within a prison, and is it realistic? Are the officers suitably trained to take a trauma-informed approach?