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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

No, it is not. However, as I have said, the outlook is very difficult across the public sector. From the local government perspective, we obviously need to do this work hand in hand with the work on the fiscal framework, and we need to recognise that the resource spending review is not a budget. I can well imagine that, in future budgets, local government will, for example, have a significant uplift through the education and social security lines as a bare minimum.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

I am not sure that I am advising or advocating that—unless you are quoting something that I said earlier. What we are saying to local government is, “Here are the spending parameters over the next few years”. That allows them to plan, but it will not replace annual budgets; it gives them the parameters, but not all the details. Future budgets will need to update the details.

12:30  

Incidentally, there is a lot that we can learn from local government, particularly in the way that it works together and the way that COSLA facilitates a lot of sharing of best practice. You are right to say that there is a lot for us to learn. However, to all intents and purposes, local government is fully autonomous. We set the spending parameters, but ultimately, it is for local authorities to determine how they spend that money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

Local authorities have to make choices within the spending parameters that they have. I do not dictate to local government how it uses its funding—that is for local government to determine. All I can do through the resource spending review is to set out the parameters; it is for local government to decide what it does with that core budget. Obviously, there is additional funding on top of that for education and social security, which we have more influence over. However, inside the core spending parameters, it is for local government to determine how that money is spent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

Our immediate priority is to embed fair work. It goes back to questions about poverty and productivity. If you have fair work conditions and people are in secure, well-paid employment and get paid a reasonable wage, that delivers multiple benefits for our economy and the overall cost of the public sector.

Our primary focus right now is to embed fair work principles. Employers also want to focus on that, because, at a time of high demand and more supply, they have to distinguish themselves. Having said that, we are particularly exposed by the fact that a lot of the highest earners are in very few industries. That means that a downturn in oil and gas has a disproportionately large impact on our tax revenues and economic outlook, so there is an argument to make sure that we diversify, while also taking into account the impact that that has.

13:00  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

I would hope so, yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

We will certainly engage with public bodies on taking forward that reform. The important point is that the public sector exists for the benefit of citizens. We need to start with citizens, and they will not necessarily be aware of or interested in the backroom shared services. In an age of digitalisation—obviously, digital is one of the key focuses—we need to consider things such as shared cloud services and shared investment in digital capability.

We have talked about estates. Sharing estate will lead to the need to share services as well. Many bodies do very similar things with their finance or human resources capabilities. As I said, I am not sure that citizens are as interested in the backroom capabilities as they are in getting the service that they want. We all need to be aligned on the need to improve outcomes for citizens, whether that is individual businesses, households or anybody else.

We will certainly work with public bodies and look at the art of the possible. I want to ensure that we protect and preserve public bodies’ autonomy to deliver services to citizens as they wish, but I also want to work with them where they need, for example, investment in their information technology or digital services and where there is scope for those to be more effective. The Scottish Government has been working on our shared services—even within the Scottish Government, we can ensure that we have one system for all the parts. There is a lot of scope, but we will need to act carefully. Obviously, we will report on the initial conclusions in the upcoming budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

Others might want to come in on this, but from my perspective, getting social security right has two impacts. I have already touched on the Scottish child payment, and if we manage to meet an objective such as tackling child poverty, that will, in a very obvious way, deliver benefits not just for those families but for the wider economy and, ultimately, for public finances. If people are taken out of poverty and they are in well-paid, secure employment, I do not need to spell out the benefits of that to the taxpayer or in relation to pressures on public services and so on.

The other impact relates to the tight labour market. Again, if we are able to support people into work at a point when unemployment is at 3.2 per cent, we know that the area on which we need to do most work is the economic inactivity figures in order to expand the labour market.

To my mind, there is a moral obligation to ensure that those who are entitled to social security support get access to that support in a dignified way; that is an ideological choice, and I think that it is the right one to make. Equally, if we get this right and support more families out of poverty, inevitably that will deliver benefits elsewhere, reduce pressures on public services and, I hope, boost the labour market.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

We have had discussions, and I will see the Chief Secretary to the Treasury next week, when, I am sure, we will continue those discussions on the fact that our current assumptions around block grants are largely based on an out-of-date spending review that does not take inflation into account.

I will continue to make those points to the Treasury. I certainly would like to see, at the very least, some review of the fiscal framework, taking into account the impact that inflation has, not only on our spending power but on the way that certain elements keep track with inflation.

Those conversations will continue. I am, generally, an optimistic person, but I have been having those conversations for a very long time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

I sincerely hope that our budget will not be as bad as I feared but, ultimately, the only way for that to change is for the UK Government to increase the funding pot and take into account the huge increases in inflation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Kate Forbes

I think that I heard three questions in there. I will take them in turn.