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That would be very helpful—thank you.

I call Sandesh Gulhane.

Paul Sweeney has a final brief supplementary question.

The purpose of the first instrument is to implement the remedy to the reforms to the NHS pension scheme in Scotland under the Public Service Pensions and Judicial Offices Act 2022, in respect of pensions for NHS workers in Scotland.

The policy note states that the 2022 act

“requires schemes to make provision in regulations to deliver aspects of the remedy to address the impact of the rollback to the legacy scheme and to allow members to make a choice about their pension benefits for the period between 1 April 2015 and 31 March 2022.”

The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee considered the instrument at its meeting on 19 September 2023 and draws the instrument to the attention of the Parliament under the reporting ground of failure to comply with the laying requirements in section 28(2) of the Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010. The DPLR Committee is content with the Scottish Government’s explanation for that breach of the laying requirements.

The committee also draws the instrument to the attention of Parliament on the general reporting ground in respect of a number of cross-referencing errors. The committee notes that the Scottish Government proposes to address those matters in the next amending instrument.

No motion to annul has been lodged in relation to the instrument. I invite members to comment.

Immediately following this meeting, there will be a joint meeting on drugs policy, which will involve nominated members of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, and the Criminal Justice Committee.

At the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee meeting next week, we will receive an update on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill from the Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport.

Good morning and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2023 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received apologies from David Torrance, and James Dornan is joining us as a substitute this morning.

The one item on our agenda is consideration of two negative instruments.

I, too, was previously a member of the NHS pension scheme.

I propose that the committee make no recommendations on the negative instrument.

Members indicated agreement.

The purpose of the second instrument is to update the Sports Grounds and Sporting Events (Designation) (Scotland) Order 2014, which designated sports grounds, the classes of sporting events played at those grounds and the classes of sporting events outside Great Britain for the purposes of part II of the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995.

The policy note states:

“These changes are required in light of promotions to and relegation from the Scottish football pyramid and to ensure consistency of approach over the application of the alcohol and other controls framework set out in Part II of the 1995 Act.”

The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee considered the instrument at its meeting on 19 September 2023 and made no recommendations in relation to the instrument.

No motion to annul has been lodged in relation to the instrument. Since members have no comments, I propose that the committee make no recommendation in relation to the negative instrument.

Members indicated agreement.

Good morning, panel. Thank you for coming along. The Scottish Recovery Consortium submitted helpful evidence that highlighted that the biggest challenge to accessing treatment or recovery communities is stigma. I note that, in its final report, the Scottish Drug Deaths Taskforce also highlighted stigma and said that in offering treatment and care for people with addiction issues there had to be

“broad culture change from stigma, discrimination and punishment”.

How effective has action on tackling stigma been to date? Perhaps Simon Rayner could start, then I will come to Wez Steele.

You touched on a few issues that I will explore a wee bit further. You spoke about leadership and leading people to outcomes that they do not necessarily want. You also touched on some of the commentary that has been in the press. I will quote from a couple of things that I have seen recently from MSPs.

One MSP wrote:

“Some campaigners have long demanded drug consumption rooms, where addicts will be free to take heroin, crack cocaine and other dangerous narcotics.”

In relation to the siting of the Glasgow consumption room, another MSP tweeted:

“I have serious concerns for locals. It is very close to a large amount of student housing, as well as a fire station and family shopping areas.”

How does that help to tackle stigma and to get people to access the help, care and treatment that they need?