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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

On your point about disability payments, as we have indicated, there is quite a lot of modelling and forecasting work behind that. However, your points about understanding the factors that drive take-up and demand are well made—are they a function of work being done in other services or a function of campaigns on take-up? We will come back with more specific details to explain what sits behind that.

On staffing levels, I visited Social Security Scotland in Glasgow last week or the week before to go through where it is in relation to its head count projections, its underlying productivity numbers and its work on automation, systems and process improvement. The short answer to your question is that the saving will be a consequence of Social Security Scotland becoming more efficient at what it does. It is on a journey. As more benefits land, they give it more challenges but also, over time, more opportunities to streamline those processes. Managing that budget reduction will partly be a consequence of that work.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

On the in-year increases, one of the first questions was about where the £60 million for health will go, and the answer was that it will go to health boards to deal with precisely those pressures. I do not think that much else will happen this year, as the last few weeks—three or whatever it is—are all about managing a successful budget balancing exercise. Clearly, budgets for next year will be allocated to health boards to support them in that important work, because we are very conscious of the wide variation in IJBs’ performance on delayed discharge. Ensuring that funding is flowing through to support continued reductions in delayed discharge is a priority.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I am not aware of that, but we have to remember that those numbers are compared against forecast numbers, so it depends on how the forecast is calculated.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

It does, to some extent. I hear what you are saying, but the issue is that we would be trying to deal with the same thing across many programmes and portfolios. If everybody queued up and said, “Just give me a wee bit extra this year”, because of this or that, it would defeat the purpose of our having controls in place and trying to manage things. It would just create more variability with regard to the numbers that we have talked about and our being able to land the 2024-25 spend within the budget and borrowing restrictions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Yes—but it is quite late in the day before we can be certain about the known unknowns. We have already had a conversation about the £350 million, and we have talked about social security and a range of other factors on which there might be quite significant movement as a result of demand and other variables on which we would not expect to have final data yet.

By the point at which we would be able to do that, we would probably just be throwing money at something that was not ready, which would be inefficient allocation of resources. If someone has a plan that starts at the start of the new financial year, the most efficient and stable approach is to start it at the start of the next financial year instead of trying to bring things forward a few weeks and having a scramble at the end of this financial year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I think that what I said was that we would come back with the historical numbers—that is, what has been in the budget and what has been allocated in-year. Obviously, there is broader work taking place on public service reform and ensuring that all public bodies operate more efficiently. Clearly, the SQA will be no exception to that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Are you referring to what they spend the money on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

It is also very inefficient to start winding up projects at year end if you have not planned how they are going to be executed properly; you just have to step back and say that they are still running. The accountancy aspect behind that is all about ensuring that the numbers add up, so that we can bring the money back in at year end and then push it back out again in the new financial year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

That is all right.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

We will come back to you on the specifics of that issue. It is being dealt with in the net zero portfolio and I do not have the details of those specific projects. We know the funds that will be used, but I will come back to you with information on specific projects from the net zero portfolio.

However, to put the counterfactual to you, if we had not used that money to balance budgets, or if that had not been the intent previously, and we had instead cut health or local government spend, I am sure that you would have been one of the first to complain that we were not using available funds but were cutting essential public services as a consequence.