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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Is that at a UK level or a Scotland level?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

That is helpful, and it puts some of the other numbers that we are talking about today into context. Thanks very much.

The last thing that I want to focus on is the uprating of MUP. What is your perspective on that? What should the mechanism be? Should it be automatic? Should it be based on inflation or affordability? I am going back to the graph that we have just discussed. I am keen to get anyone’s perspective on how we should progress that.

10:00  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

The question that I am asking is about basic economics. If somebody had said to me, when I was running a business, “You have the opportunity to increase prices without increasing costs”, I would have seen that as positive, not negative. I am trying to understand why you see it as an economic challenge rather than an economic opportunity.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Okay. I will leave it there, but I find it strange, having been in business, that people whose day job it is to know such numbers do not have a perspective on the matter.

I will move on to talk about uprating. The SGF’s submission comments that you did not think there was any reason to increase the 50 per cent rate because wage inflation had not kept pace with price inflation. I am not sure how true that is according to recent wage inflation data, but does it mean that you would be comfortable with an increase that reflected wage inflation rather than price inflation, and that it is the inflation calculation that you are disputing rather than the concept of uprating?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

With respect, I say that that is very different to what we are talking about. That was a tax that raised a revenue. You are right that there is data on that, but there is no data specifically on the additional revenue that has flowed through retailers and up the supply chain directly as a consequence of MUP.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

This is my final question. Again, I am quite perplexed. In effect, this is an opportunity for retailers, convenience stores and grocers to increase prices without increasing costs. I am not clear about why you see the increase as such an economic challenge, unless you can answer the earlier question and unpick who is charging who more, and what data is telling you about reduced revenue and profits, if that is the consequence.

10:45  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

You are asking the wrong person. I was in business for 30 years before I came into politics, and have run a lot of very profitable businesses.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Right. So the reduction in value will not be as dramatic, because the price will have more than doubled in many cases. Thank you very much for that data.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Ivan McKee

I would be quite comfortable to proceed as you have suggested and to write to the Government, asking it to confirm its response on the points that the report raises.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Ivan McKee

Is health board management well aware of where their boards sit in those 15 league tables, who is best and who they should be learning from?