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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Good morning, panel. This is a hugely important subject and many of us have probably had family members or friends who have succumbed to alcohol harm and passed away earlier than they should have done.

I want to focus a wee bit on the economics of this. I am sorry, but I will be a bit geeky to kick off. Dr MacGilchrist, I am trying to get my head round what the labels are on the axes in the chart in your submission. Do you have it to hand?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

There are four industry experts in the room. I was hoping that one of you at least might have some data. Does anyone else want to comment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

The question I am asking you is about—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I have a brief question about that data point of 16 per cent. Has that number gone up or gone down since the introduction of MUP?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you very much for the helpful data points. Can you clarify whether that is by value or volume?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

That is interesting. You will have seen our first agenda item this morning, which was on upgrading social care payments. That is done by a percentage increase, and the process is relatively painless.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I am assuming that the left-hand side is units of alcohol per person per year, but what do the numbers on the right-hand side relate to?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Good morning. I just want to dig a bit deeper into the question that Dr Gulhane asked about revenue and where it is going. Maybe “concerned” is too strong a word, but I am perplexed as to why we do not have better data. The estimates of the additional revenue that has been flowing into the system range widely, as Dr Gulhane said, from £30-odd million to £300-odd million per year. I thought that the sector would have a better handle on the numbers.

I absolutely take the point that has been made that the whole point is to reduce consumption, so if you double the price but sell half as much, the revenue does not go up at all. It is quite clearly possible that there has not been any extra revenue, but it could be quite significant, based on those numbers.

As was rightly said, the profit calculation is even more complicated because of the various layers within the supply chain and what they charge each other. Again, common sense says that if you are selling less, the unit price and the cost of producing, distributing and selling will increase.

I am just throwing this out there. Does anybody on the panel have any reliable data that we can talk about and put on the record about money that has additionally been coming through retailers and where it may have ended up?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Is the IFS number a Scotland number or a UK number? It must be a Scotland number, I suppose.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

We also have a number in our submission of savings to national health service costs, which is just short of £1 million a year. I understand how that has been calculated and it is good to see that saving. Are you aware of, or do you have any data on, the cost of alcohol harm to the overall economy?