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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Officials can supply more detail. Those costs are obviously demand led—they depend on how many journeys are made. The relevant operator receives the funding back for those journeys. Officials will tell me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that the reduction was a consequence of uptake being not as much as expected—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I think that we will need to come back to you on that very specific point.

Oh—we might have an answer.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Yes, we will send you that and what it has been in previous years.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Clearly, when we set inquiries up—there are a number of them running—the costs of those are—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Well, I would not say that. At the start, they are—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

It is a function of the environment in which we operate. If we were a normal, independent country and we had borrowing powers that we could exercise, we would be able to smooth that out, but, because we have very tight borrowing restrictions and we have to deal with—“the emergency stage” is probably too strong a phrase—the consequences of spending decisions that are taken at Whitehall, we need to balance the variables and try to predict what is going to happen down the road. The alternative would be that we had not received consequentials to anything like that extent, in which case we would be sitting here having a very different conversation. You would rightly be criticising us for not having taken steps to ensure that the budget came in on balance—which, again, is a requirement of a devolved Administration.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

As I say, it is a function of the environment that we operate in. The alternative would be that we had come to committee in the autumn, earlier in the financial year, before those numbers were published, and said, “We expect to get £1.43 billion from the UK Government and we’re going to operate based on the consequences of that. We won’t make any changes in the budget—we won’t cut anything or impose any controls—as we assume that all that money will come flowing down the track.” If that had not happened, it would have been too late in the financial year to take steps on it.

As I say, the reason why these things move is not because there is a lack of policy coherence but because we need to operate in an environment in which there are many substantial unknowns. You asked what the central planning assumption was. We expected to get a number, but there is a huge variation around that. It always operates within a range. We said that the £1.4 billion was at the top end of what we expected that range to be and the range that we planned within. However, there is a huge variation and it could have been a much smaller number. If it had been, we would have had to put measures in place to react to that. If we were in a position where we did not have the borrowing constraints that we have because we are a devolved Administration, we would have been able to take a more stable view throughout the year and deal with the matter in a very different way.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Okay. I will see what we have and send it on to you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

We can endeavour to find the answer to that question if you are interested, convener—absolutely. However, the inquiries are independent and the cost base is driven by the activities that are undertaken by each inquiry.

The issue of how inquiries are budgeted for has been raised previously, but the Government’s position is that we respond to the costs that are incurred by the inquiry.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

This is about ensuring value for money, too. The physics of projects does not respect year ends; projects move forward and continue. People do not stop work at year end and then restart—the project continues right through. When it comes to matching up the finances, we need to move the money from one year to the next through the process of bringing it back in and then allocating it back out again.