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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you for that point about terminology.

It would be good to get your views and the views of others on the panel as to whether the information that is provided in the clinics reflects that balanced view. Are options presented and is there counselling and other support as part of the process? What is your perspective on that issue, which is another point that we have heard about in private sessions?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Great—thank you very much. We can connect with you later about this, but from the committee’s point of view, it would be helpful to get some data sources, as we have had different perspectives on this issue in some of our sessions and it would be good to get our hands on some specific articles.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you very much for that clarification.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I was going to cite that case, plus some others. One of the earlier witnesses cited protests at Dungavel, which relate to the same issue as PE2049 but from the opposite perspective. Faslane protests have been cited. We have protests against arms manufacturers outside places of work in the context of the Israel-Gaza conflict.

Questions have already been aired about the scope for the bill to catch protests against cuts to health services—I have protested outside hospitals, where I have argued against closures—or malpractice. Even ministerial visits have been cited as a legitimate reason for protesting outside healthcare facilities. The UK legislation, if I understand it correctly—some of the witnesses are lawyers and I am not—was in the context of broader legislation on protest.

I ask the witnesses to reflect on some of that to give us more comfort, or not, about the scope for scope creep.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I have a brief follow-up question on that, just to clarify a point. We have a quote from Police Scotland’s submission in our briefing notes. The submission says:

“The Bill has been reviewed and”

Police Scotland’s

“position remains that existing powers and offences ... are sufficient to address any unlawful behaviour which may arise in the vicinity of a health care premises as a result of such protest.”

How does that square with what you have just said? I want to ensure that we understand exactly what the position is, for the record, if that is okay.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I think that everything has been covered, convener.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I suppose that it is a tautology and a statement of the obvious. If it is lawful, it is lawful; if it is not, it is not.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Ivan McKee

I kind of see what you are saying, but I suppose that it comes across as a statement that you do not think that more powers are required to deal with the situation. Thanks for that clarification.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 5 March 2024

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you for clarifying that.