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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Again, we might want to take more information directly from those who work in that space in Government, but, clearly, it is hugely important that the Scottish Fiscal Commission is independent of the Government. I am new in post, but I understand that the extent to which its budgeting process is assessed and its direct interaction with the Government over its operational efficiency will absolutely be part of the conversation. That said, it is hugely important that we draw a line between that and its independence in the way in which it carries out its function.

It is an interesting point, though, and I am happy to explore it further and come back with more specifics.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That is up to Parliament to decide. I will not tell the convener how to run his committee, but if the committee decided that it wanted to do that, the Government would be supportive of that step.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I will be careful what I say. It surprised me, but, as I said at the outset, it is absolutely not Government’s job to tell committees which witnesses they should bring in and what they should ask them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That would primarily come through the committee structure, so that relates to the answer that I have given: Parliament would bring people in and take evidence from them through its committee structure, and it is in everybody’s interest that parliamentary committees are doing that as effectively as possible.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

No; that is not what I said, either. The Parliament has a scrutiny function to perform, which it carries out through its committees. There is a budget for carrying out that work. One of the SPCB’s roles is to ensure that it is managed, effectively and efficiently, and delivers on what the Parliament has asked it to do. The same case could be made right across the landscape for any of the other public sector bodies that are asked to carry out functions. They have a budget—in many cases, a reducing budget—to deliver similar services. That is what efficient government is about.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I am not saying that they do not, or that we are not doing that, or that we are not robustly assessing proposals as they come forward, or that the Parliament should not be looking at and reviewing existing commissioners to see whether they are delivering value for money, or that the Government will not support that work, because we very much look forward to doing so.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I heard the evidence that the SPCB gave. Its position is that the Parliament as a whole decides whether there should be a commissioner, and then the SPCB—“inherits” is probably the wrong word—executes that function and channels the budget through to the commissioner.

Commissioners are held to account through the committee structure, as you well know. When I was on committees, that is exactly what happened; commissioners would come in periodically and be asked to account for the work that they were undertaking.

As I understand it, the relationship between the SPCB and the commissioners involves a framework that enables commissioners to be clear about the expectation of the Parliament and its committees. I suppose that the SPCB is right in that it does not create the commissioners, which are created by the Parliament as a whole.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

My expectation is that savings will be delivered in this fiscal year. That is already happening through our work on estates, procurement frameworks, IT systems, shared services and so on. Work is already happening, and my expectation is that more significant savings will be identified through the conversations about next year’s budget, which are happening now, and we will carry on from there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

No—I think that we are all good. Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I think that there is probably more to it than that. That is part of it—and an essential part, obviously. However, although I am not an expert on the legislation that set up the Auditor General and other bodies, it is clear to me that the way in which bodies and their remits are set up is important in terms of their legislative competence to address issues. It is an important aspect.