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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Perhaps, but others might see it as a method of amplifying their message, although clearly—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

There are two points there. First, the committee has rightly looked at the cost of commissioners, which comes to about £18 million in total. When we consider that against the cost of the broader public sector landscape, it is a very small percentage of the total cost of the 130 or so public bodies that the Government supports across the landscape. Most medium-sized public bodies on their own run up a bigger bill than the £18 million in total that we are talking about for commissioners. In that regard, although it is an issue, it is very far from being the main event in relation to how we make the public sector landscape more efficient. However, I know that that is outside the scope of the committee’s considerations this morning.

We have talked about the second point already, in that a robust evaluation of the cost of new proposals for commissioners is important. That is part of the ministerial control framework and, as new proposals come forward, I will be absolutely focused on understanding whether they make the landscape more efficient and effective, or just add cost.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

The Parliament has a budget of north of £140 million. I do not know how many staff there are, but it has resources. Now, if the Parliament is in a position where—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

As I said, the Parliament has a conversation with the Government every year about how much its budget should be. That is where that conversation would take place if the Parliament feels that it has more responsibilities and needs a higher budget as a consequence. Clearly, that has to take place in the context of broader fiscal situation, but there is absolutely scope for that conversation to take place.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I understand that, but the point that I am making is—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

It is an on-going process. It is kicking off as part of the budget process, with the initial work on it starting in the summer but, if we do things properly, continuous improvement does not stop.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

When you parse the matter out, it is clear that we—and I as the minister leading this work—are absolutely responsible for the public sector reform piece and Government bodies. On the creation of new commissioners, where I think that a lot of the concern lies, the Government has a significant role to play. In most cases, such things do not go through Parliament—at least, not if the Government is not opposed to them. In that respect, the Government absolutely has a role in taking a view on that side of things.

If the review of what we do with the seven existing commissioners were to be carried out, the Government would be supportive of that, but it would not be helpful for us to be involved in it, because the commissioners are parliamentary bodies. The committee might be best placed to take that forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Okay. Are you saying that the committees should not monitor the work of the commissioner?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

It is not up to me to tell committees or the Parliament how to run their affairs. I am just saying, from the outside—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Yes, it is.