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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I am sorry, but could you restate your question, so that I can make sure that you picked me up correctly?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

As I have said, the ministerial control framework is in place. Any proposed public body would go through that process and be subject to a robust assessment of why we needed it. The presumption is that no more public bodies are to be created—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

—unless there is a strong case for doing so. Frankly, we would want to consider the scope for having fewer public bodies.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Even where it is not the Government’s proposal, it will have significant input. At the end of the day, the Government, even if it is a minority in Parliament, holds sway over whether a bill goes through Parliament.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

It is not the Government’s role to say what commissioners there should or should not be, or to review the situation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That is a good question. Looking at the landscape, we see that there is a wide range of different bodies. The Auditor General for Scotland, for instance, is very much independent of Government, and rightly so—and the role adds a lot of value, because of that. There are bodies that are not SPCB bodies that are very much viewed as independent, and they fulfil their functions very effectively as a consequence; there are other bodies, including the commissioners that we are talking about, that are SPCB supported.

The structure has grown up over time. It is not as if people sat down and designed it from the get-go, deciding, “This is the way it will work,” or, “These bodies will all be Parliament bodies, and those bodies will not be.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I have already said it four times, but I will say for the fifth time that the ministerial control framework is very robust, as is the Government’s position on the creation of new public bodies in general. That extends to new commissioners. We are very conscious of having too many, and we are taking steps on it. We are robustly taking a position on it. In my new role, that is my absolute intention. We are not ignoring it. I only made the point that there is a bigger landscape out there, which is also in focus and being considered, where there are much larger sums of money to be saved.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

That is a good question. My experience in the Government up until now has primarily been in the economic space. I know how we work with economic agencies, although that is a very different relationship. I do not know whether the officials have any specific comments on how Government formally engages with and monitors the independent bodies under the Government remit.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I think that it was Jackson Carlaw who talked about the various stages of evolution of this landscape, through inquiries and other bodies that were set up. Now, we are in a position in which many interest groups want to have a commissioner.

I heard the evidence from Age Scotland, and I understand why an advocacy group would want to have a commissioner for their specific interest, because it would allow them to raise the profile of, and to advocate more effectively to the Government for, their specific interest group. I understand why it would want to do that.

It is important to look at the broader public sector body landscape to understand what it should look like in order for it to be as cost-effective and efficient as possible, and the Government takes the lead on that. The basic principle is that we want to keep things as simple as possible, and a broad proliferation of public sector bodies that duplicate functions is not the most efficient way of doing that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Again, you would need to talk to advocacy groups about how they see that, but—