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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

The committee has unpicked the existing commissioner structure in its evidence sessions. Different commissioners fulfil different roles. The Scottish Public Services Ombudsman is almost as big as everything else in the commissioner landscape put together. Everyone knows what the ombudsman does and I meet constituents all the time who have used the ombudsman. It is for the committee to take a view on how effective that has been, but the ombudsman has a profile and does a well recognised job.

Then we have the Scottish Information Commissioner and the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland. They are—for very good reasons—clearly independent of Government. They play an important role in monitoring and providing processes for issues that are to do with information management, transparency and ethics. They play an effective role in doing that.

You can go through the rest of the seven to consider how effective they are perceived to be. However, I think that the important point that is behind the question is that there is a feeling that we need more commissioners because groups feel that more advocacy needs to be done on their behalf. Advocacy is very different to the role that is played by the commissioners that I have mentioned already, which are the biggest part of the commissioner landscape and play an important role that is clearly different from those who look at public service delivery or who play an advocacy role. It comes back to the point that advocacy groups probably would not be doing their job properly if they were not asking for a commissioner, so the fact that they are asking for one, alongside all the other things that they advocate for, is not necessarily an indication that things are failing.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

The proposals for those commissioners are yet to go through the ministerial control framework.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

First, you have to be clear about the distinction between the role of the Government and the role of the Parliament and its committee structure, which you understand better than anyone.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I will be interested to see what you say. The report could be an effective and helpful piece of evidence that will support our broader work and set the tone for the public sector landscape.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Its role is to manage the Parliament and to ensure the smooth and effective functioning of the Parliament and the tasks that the Parliament as a whole is asked to carry out, be that through commissioners or other roles.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

No, absolutely not, because all the areas where we spend money need to be addressed to ensure that that money is spent most effectively. We can argue about the fact that you would want to focus more on understanding and addressing the challenges where you have more potential to save more money. Of course you would want to do that. The tone is important. I hope that what I said about the broader landscape and the commissioners has helped to set that tone. To be frank, the ministerial control framework being in place has helped to set a tone more broadly around people not proposing public bodies or commissioners that they might otherwise have done.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Not at all.

My focus, as the committee would expect, is on where we can save hundreds of millions. Frankly, we could shut down all the commissioners tomorrow and it would save us only £18 million. It is a drop in the ocean in terms of the task ahead of us with regard to assessing efficiency across the wider public sector landscape.

However, that does not mean that I do not think that it is an important issue and that it is important that robust controls are in place to review new proposals. I will be taking that very seriously in order to address and challenge whether there is a need for new commissioners through the ministerial control framework.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Are you asking about my perspective?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

As I say, it is not a limited body. We have already talked about the budget process. In the case of the commissioners, there is an additional cost of £500,000. That will be part of the conversation around how much of an increase in its £140 million budget the Parliament needs to support and carry out that function. There are seven commissioners—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

When a new commissioner is created, clearly that budget would be passed through the Parliament.