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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Distinction about where that responsibility lies is important. If those bodies are there in part to scrutinise the work of the Government, and the Government took responsibility for scrutinising the bodies, we end up in a place—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Are you talking about existing public bodies other than commissioners?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

All the commissioners are different. I watched your evidence session with commissioners with interest. You made those points, and, from memory, I do not think that any of the witnesses were able to say that they have delivered X, Y and Z.

The counterfactual is always important, but it is very difficult to put a finger on it in those terms. For example, would things have been worse if a commissioner had not been in place?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

No—nor will it be a morning when I come here and—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

Absolutely. It is important that Government is not seen as telling Parliament what to do, but the Government will absolutely be supportive if Parliament decides to do that. That might be through providing information, through processes such as the ministerial control framework. or by giving other insights. We would be very happy to do that. That applies to the seven commissioners that we have at the moment as well as to any potential new ones who are coming down the track.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

You said “that the Government has asked them to do” but it is the Parliament that has asked them to do it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I do not think so, but I will come back to that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

I will certainly reflect on that. I will say a number of things. First, every commissioner and every committee will take a different perspective on or approach to that. Certainly, when I have sat on committees and had evidence sessions with relevant commissioners, I felt that those were robust, to the point, effective and got to the nub of the issues. If other commissioners feel that that is not the case, that is a matter for the relevant committee and the parliamentary bodies as a whole to perhaps address.

Looking at that from the outside, because it is absolutely not Government’s role to tell committees who they should ask what questions of, I would hope that—this is in everybody’s interests—committees are thorough in their evaluation and in relation to any other commitments that they have.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

In terms of new commissioners?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Ivan McKee

The proposals for those commissioners have still to go through the ministerial control framework.