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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

Yes.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

Yes. It goes back to my earlier point about how we define communities.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

Yes. Everything should lift, because everyone will see what the requirements are and what best practice is, and people will go through the process of pulling their action plans together and consulting locally and more widely. Of course, it is not the case that everybody will be at the same level, and there will still be things that we need to make progress on, but we will be further down the road and moving in the right direction.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

I am certainly very keen to bring forward what we can as early as we can. It would be helpful for everyone if the committee could let us reflect on a structure for the guidance.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

I shall ask the lawyer for the technical definition of “due regard”—you are a lawyer. [Laughter.]

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

To my mind, it means that public bodies would have to take the guidance into account and ensure that they have addressed the issues that it contained. The point of having guidance is that it would force public bodies to go through the process of thinking about the issues, such as what they are doing, how they can contribute to the agenda, where their spend goes, and how they can maximise that spend in the right places.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

The national performance framework includes a range of economic measures. You can look at what we are doing in relation to job creation and the value of those jobs. We already have procurement measures in place in existing legislation, and we measure and report on that annually. You can also measure business creation through the number of business start-ups in a community. A range of economic measures are already in place. GDP growth is one of those, but it is by no means the only measure. At a macro level, it will be very hard to know how much of an impact the bill has had, compared with the range of economic and other measures that are in place. At a local level, local authorities—they already do this—will look at what is important in their local economy. That may differ from economy to economy, depending on their priorities.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

The first group would do that. The relevant bodies would work with the local authority to produce the plan—that would be colleges, health boards, Scottish Enterprise, enterprise agencies, Skills Development Scotland and the regional transport partnerships. That is the core group that would work with the local authority to produce the plan, and then the bodies in the wider group are the ones that must take it into account when they produce their corporate plans.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

I suppose that that comes back to where we started the conversation about the purpose of the legislation. If the legislation flushes out such conversations in local authorities as they sit around the table with the relevant partners and put the plan together, it is clear that, depending on which part of the country they are in, there will be different solutions, given that credit unions and other organisations have different profiles. If the legislation flushes out those issues and the guidance says that credit unions should be considered, that points to the value of the legislation in enabling people to have such conversations.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ivan McKee

The purpose of the way in which the bill has been designed, in enabling or requiring local authorities and local partners to sit down and pull together the local action plan, is to give a framework but also to allow scope for locality-specific issues to be pulled together. You will know much more about island groups than I do, but I am sure that, if you sat down with people from Orkney, Shetland and the Western Isles, they would have a lot of similar challenges but also a lot of different challenges. Having things at that local level is really important to flushing that out. From our perspective, it is about making sure that the legislation enables that and the guidance lists the things that should be considered, and how they should be considered, in order to enable that to happen.