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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

That is interesting. Mr Lockley, I am interested in your thoughts.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

Apologies for that interruption from someone’s phone. Clearly, one of my colleagues needed a wake-up call. Sorry, that was very cheeky.

I have a similar question to the one that I asked Zoe Laird. Do you feel that the city region deals play nicely with the rest of your lines of activity or could things be done to improve synergies and maximise the benefit that we get from such funding alongside the current activity that Scottish Enterprise undertakes?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

I am interested in what you said about the focus on regional growth. I very much take the view that growth is built at that level upwards. You have an interesting vantage point, as you are able to compare across the nations and regions where the various deals have been deployed. In England, the deals were constructed very much with an eye to supporting the creation of combined authorities and metro mayors. In Scotland, we have a very different context.

When we look at the data, some interesting points emerge. For example, since 2007, growth in gross domestic product per capita in Scotland has been about half the growth rate in Manchester. In Scotland, GDP per capita has grown by about 0.5 per cent a year, whereas, in Manchester, it has grown by 1.3 per cent. Likewise, if we look at inward investment, we see that in 2022-23, according to the Office for National Statistics, 5,800 jobs were created in Manchester, whereas only 3,400 were created in Scotland.

Do you agree that we are starting to see quite different economic outcomes emerge across the different regions and nations of the UK? What analysis has been done to look at the contribution that the city region deals have made to that situation and at whether the different structures to which those deals apply has played a role in those differences?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

I have a slightly different set of questions for Scottish Enterprise, which I will come to in a moment.

You raise an interesting point there, Zoe. We have regional economic partnerships, the growth deals, the enterprise agencies and local authorities. We probably have other regional structures that are stranded because of previous tiers of government. Is there a sense that we need to look at the opportunities to consolidate some of those structures? Would that be an advantage? South of the border, we have combined authorities. Is there a sense that we could streamline or merge some of the structures that are playing in the same spaces?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

I do not know what the parliamentary protocol is here in relation to declaring interests. Maybe we should just promise to have a conversation that goes beyond the wonders of south Edinburgh.

You have already alluded to the very difficult decisions that the UK Government had to take when it took office. I note that two deals were paused while they were reassessed but were subsequently confirmed in the October budget. Could you expand on what you found on taking office as regards the financial preparations for those deals? What steps did you and the wider Government take to assess the deals that were in train and to establish whether they represented good value for money and would deliver on the objective of delivering economic growth?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

We can probably legislate without using emergency procedures in a three to four-month period. In emergency situations—

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

Are you talking about legal restrictions or financial measures?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

I think that it can, but I will leave it there.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

I will bring in Adam Stachura, then Jonnie Hall. Are there broad things that you would like to be implemented to improve scrutiny and the process for secondary legislation in Parliament, particularly in relation to consultation or even an ability to amend secondary legislation?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Daniel Johnson

The classic example is changing a price that is specified, because prices have to keep pace with inflation. You do not want to go through the primary legislation process every time you do that.

Within the parameters that you were setting out in relation to the agricultural support legislation—the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024—do you think that, to safeguard future Administrations in future sessions, such powers need to be accompanied by corresponding duties on ministers to have regard to particular purposes or outcomes? You might not be specifying what happens in minute detail, but you would at least be establishing and framing what things ministers should be having due regard to or seeking to achieve through the use of the powers, if they are broadly stated.