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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

Not to worry. I probably need to move on.

A key focus of the new deal for business was the regulatory review group. I wonder whether the witnesses feel that progress has been made there. I ask Colin Borland to comment first, as Sara Thiam answered the previous question.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

I have some questions on a different topic, but I find the current thread of questioning interesting. The deputy convener summed it up quite well—it sounds as if the Government is starting to get it but is not there yet. Reflecting on what I have heard over the past 10 minutes or so, I think that you have said that engagement has got better and that some decisions that might be actively damaging to business are being avoided. However, that is not the same thing as having policies in place that promote a healthier economy and promote growth and investment—that is to say, policies that are actually for businesses. There is a difference there. We should surely be seeking not just to engage and have a good dialogue with business, but to put in place policies that are directly focused on improving the business context and business investment.

Is that a fair reflection of the conversation? Perhaps you can start, Sara, because your comments in this space have been most germane.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

To lead into my follow-up question, it strikes me that, while the groups that we are discussing might look at things that are explicitly about business, they—and we—are not asking whether all policy is aligned with our economic policies. Again, we might look at whether the proposals on alcohol advertising were in line with our growth aspirations for the food and drink sector. Another example might be the Berwick Bank decision. We have a very ambitious target on renewables, but we are now approaching the two-year mark for the consenting decisions—which are meant to take a year—for what will be one of the most substantial contributions to meeting that target.

Is there too much of a focus in the regulatory review group on new regulations, rather than on asking whether all our regulation and policy making is aligned with our industrial objectives? Colin, perhaps you can answer first, and I will then open it up to the whole panel.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

Does anyone else want to grasp the nettle of non-domestic rates?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

That is an interesting and helpful set of observations. We could hold a whole evidence session on that issue.

At the beginning of the session, you described growth deals as being primarily about delivering economic growth. However, listening to the evidence, I have found it interesting that the benefits are less about gross value added and more about efficiency of working and collaboration. Is that the correct assessment? Is there a way of measuring the value of what they have delivered, or is it just a case of the deals making it easier to do the work? Do you have a formal set of metrics for the more mature deals, for example, and can you demonstrate the GVA or other economic value that would not be there if those deals did not exist?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

Further to that, my understanding is that the exascale computer is still part of live discussions. I was discussing the issue just yesterday with the principal of the University of Edinburgh. I want to confirm whether that is the Deputy First Minister’s understanding. Is it also her understanding that that decision will be made in the spending review, which we expect in the summer?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

To clarify, it was the Secretary of State for Scotland who said that the decision would be a feature of the spending review.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

What you have just said relates to my final question, so I will ask that before you bring in your team to respond to my question about the formal metrics.

Do you view the growth deals as just another means of delivering projects, or do you view them as the principal means of delivering infrastructure, particularly regional infrastructure? If the latter, that has quite a big bearing on how we think about things such as the medium-term financial strategy and the spending review, which we have talked about. Are the deals the primary means of delivery, or are they just one means of delivery?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

I always think that the way to value something is in comparison with the best alternative forgone. Is there a way that you can measure the value of the growth deals compared with what we would have if they did not exist?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

We are in danger of Ivan McKee becoming a moveable transaction himself and leaving to go elsewhere, so I conclude there. Thank you very much for your answers.