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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Daniel Johnson

Thank you. That is helpful.

Douglas Lumsden has a supplementary question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Daniel Johnson

Indeed, we have had enough of big bangs from finance ministers in recent weeks.

I call Michelle Thomson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Daniel Johnson

As we approach 11.20, it is quite pleasing for me that I can report that we are on time, according to my schedule. It might not be quite true to say that we are on budget, but we have certainly been on the budget this morning. I thank the Deputy First Minister for his contribution to the meeting, and I thank his officials for their support. We now move into private.

11:16 Meeting continued in private until 11:44.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Daniel Johnson

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2022 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. I am in the chair this morning because the convener, Kenneth Gibson, has had a family bereavement. I am sure that I speak on behalf of the whole committee when I express our condolences at this difficult time for him and his family.

Under agenda item 1, does the committee agree to take item 3, which is consideration of draft correspondence, in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Daniel Johnson

The next item on our agenda is an evidence session with the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery on Scotland’s public finances in 2023-24, as part of our pre-budget scrutiny. Mr Swinney is joined by officials from the Scottish Government—Andrew Scott, director of tax and revenues; Gary Gillespie, chief economist; and Scott Mackay, head of fiscal management and strategy. I welcome you all to the meeting and invite Mr Swinney to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Daniel Johnson

Thank you. When we were in private session, I assured colleagues that I would be strict and fair with regard to time allocations, so I have to hand over to others at this point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Daniel Johnson

Thank you, Deputy First Minister. I agree with your position that, as far as possible, we should carry on with our usual budget processes. Consistency, clarity and certainty are all vital components of prudent and responsible budget setting.

I want to ask about a couple of points for clarification. Has the Government had communication or correspondence with the Scottish Fiscal Commission regarding the level of data that it has, or expects to have, and whether it feels equipped to carry out the budget forecast?

Also, you questioned whether the UK Government’s fiscal plans might need revising. Are there thoughts about potentially having to revise the Scottish Government’s resource spending review in the light of UK Government fiscal changes, and is there a mechanism for doing so?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Daniel Johnson

I am sorry—I was not going to make it easy just because I like retail.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Daniel Johnson

One thing that struck me was the fact that 20 per cent of business rates revenue is being paid by retailers when they make up, crudely estimated, about 10 per cent of the economy. That sets the context in stark terms.

I have another question. I understand your wariness of things such as a tourist tax, but I think that individual levies such as that can be useful levers for local government. To be candid, my worry is that introducing them one by one encourages local authorities to put them up to the maximum. I would rather see a basket of different levies. If we could design those correctly, could they not be beneficial by ensuring that money from local economic activity gets invested in those towns, cities and local environments? That should be beneficial for both the businesses that want to operate there and the people who want to live there. Is it about getting those levies right rather than them being wrong in principle? I would be interested if you or other people have a view on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Daniel Johnson

I just wanted to make a wee observation to Catherine Murphy.

Your point about the systemic nature of inequality is absolutely spot on. It is disproportionately women who work in social care, for low pay. However, we are also seeing the costs of people who are stuck in hospital spiralling. I am constantly hearing stories of elderly people who cannot get home. The systemic aspect can be considered from a big or macro point of view, but also specifically. It would be interesting to hear your reflections on that.