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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning. I will follow on from where Sharon Dowey left off. I think that we can all hear today the passion in your voice for this piece of work, which is probably prompted by your time coming to an end, with the process not being as complete as you would like—that is probably an understatement.

In many ways—I am putting words in your mouth here; this might be a bit extreme—it almost feels as though your contacting the committee and coming back to committee today is a wee bit of a cry for help in relation to this piece of work. What do you think that the committee can do to help to progress the recommendations that you have made? You have made your case very powerfully today.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

You have certainly given us a lot of food for thought when we come to discuss what we have heard today.

There are two wee points that I want to ask about—well, they are wee in terms of the evidence session, but they are not small by any means. During the pandemic, there was an increase in the number of deaths in prison. John Swinney asked about that. Did you ever get any information, or was information ever released as part of the work that you did, about what caused those deaths? Did they relate to the pandemic—either the virus or the restrictions? Did you ever get a feel for that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thank you very much for your evidence.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

On a similar point, you mentioned that there had been an increase in the number of deaths over the summer, since May. Is there any analysis of why that has happened?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

What are your projections? What savings in overtime do you hope to achieve?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Okay. Thanks.

11:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

You mentioned sporting events, so you must have read my mind about my next question. At last night’s Scotland match, there was a significant increase in police numbers compared to previous games—I have been at all the games recently as part of the five game package. Even my wee boy, who was with me, noticed and said, “Oh dad, there’s loads of police tonight.” I have to say that the police were great and they were interacting well with the fans and the kids.

How are those things thought out? I do not know what the exact numbers were, but there seemed to be a large police presence: I could see a police officer everywhere I turned. I suppose that is a good thing, but given that we are here to scrutinise the budget, how do you take into account and prioritise such events? I know that you cannot predict things—you just said that—and possibly, as I am sure you will tell me, what I am about to say was to do with the fact that there was a large police presence, but the atmosphere seemed fairly friendly last night and I did not notice any difficulties.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thanks very much for that answer. My final question is on an issue that we have done a bit of work on in the Parliament: water safety. I have to say the SFRS does a fantastic job with us on water safety. Accessing wild waters is becoming more popular as a result of the pandemic and climate change bringing warmer weather. How much thought and budget resource has been put into that work? It is very good work that is welcomed by everybody who is in that field.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Okay. Thank you.