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It was a while ago, was it not?

No, that is fine—I just thought that I would ask.

I agree with what Karen Adam and Maggie Chapman have said. At this point, I think that, ultimately, we need to close the petition, but we need to keep Sandra Docherty involved in that loop and let her know exactly what we are thinking about—that there is more work to be done. That would be ideal. It would give us time to develop what that work might look like, get feedback on that from Sandra and other stakeholders, and then progress it.

Like other colleagues, I want to put on record my thanks to Sandra. She came in front of the committee and was absolutely fantastic—her passion for this area was there for all to see. We need to put that on the record. She has done a really good thing by bringing the issue into the public domain and giving us the impetus to take it further and to make life better for people.

I am not overly comfortable with closing the petition today, but I think that we need to get to that point; we probably just need to do a wee bit more work to get there, though.

Good morning. I was going to ask about the effect of a GRC, but you have already covered that in response to Jamie Greene.

You will obviously be aware that the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill passed through Parliament weeks before this situation came to light. I know that the bill has not become law because of the current situation with the UK Government. Nevertheless, did the process and passage of the bill have any impact on the decisions around the situation that has led us here today?

Convener, I thought that we were doing it page by page; my mistake.

On “Under 18s/Secure care”, which is on page 12, I welcome the fact that the committee will be looking at that aspect of the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. I expect that the rest of the bill will go to the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

However, I also want to say at this stage that I have had a meeting with the hope instead of handcuffs campaign. Other members may have been contacted by it as well. It does work on the way that young people are treated during their transportation to secure care. It might be worth thinking about that campaign for an evidence session, around the time of that bill. I know that we will talk about that at another stage, but I just wanted to raise that and to encourage members to meet the campaign group.

I thank the panel for those helpful answers.

You have referred a few times to the red lines of minimum core obligations. Can you—[Inaudible.]—duty bearers if those red lines are indeed crossed? Again, that is in the context of incorporation if the bill is passed.

Good morning, panel. Thank you very much for your evidence so far. You have covered quite a lot of the area that I was going to ask about, as often happens to the last questioner. I am thinking about the incorporation of the UNCRC into Scots law that we hope will happen very soon. What would be the result if it were not possible to agree a comprehensive list of minimum core obligations?

Does anyone else from the panel want to come in?

Thank you very much to the panel. I have really enjoyed the session. Thank you to both of you for what you have already said.

I want to cover how you engage with young people. You talked a lot about that when you answered questions from my colleague Rachael Hamilton, so I will not totally go over that, but are there areas or schools where it is more difficult to get that engagement, or is it the case pretty much across the board that, if you contact local authorities or schools, the MSYPs get access to other young people? Are you encountering any difficulties? If so, is there anything that we as a Scottish Parliament committee can do to help you with that?

You will know that part of an MSP’s job is to go to schools in our constituencies and regions. Would it be helpful if MSPs, as a matter of course, when speaking to modern studies classes, or whatever we have been asked to speak on, were to make sure that part of their presentation makes schools and classes aware of the Scottish Youth Parliament? Would it be helpful to do some joined-up sessions with local MSYPs?