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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I hope that everybody can hear me. Good morning to the panel, and thank you very much for your input so far. I particularly liked Juliet Harris’s opening statement. There was something a wee bit different there on the theme of the day.

I have two broad questions, although we have already covered the second one a wee bit. The bill provides that commencement will be six months after royal assent. What do you think about that timing? Does it represent sufficient time for duty bearers and rights holders to prepare for the approach? Convener, as I am not in the room, I am happy for you to decide who should answer.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I can be quite brief, convener, as there has been a good bit of coverage of this particular area in the past half hour or so.

What do you believe the bill is trying to achieve through the trauma-informed practice provisions? Perhaps I can give you a bit of background to my question. We have already heard from a couple of the panellists that this is not some new theorem or idea with regard to the justice system; I agree with that, but what I think that the bill is trying to achieve is to ensure more of a focus on victims and witnesses.

Coming from a criminal justice background, I would say that a great degree of trauma-informed practice is already happening in criminal justice social work and so on with the accused, and then with offenders, but the role of witnesses and victims in the justice system is a bit different—a bit more stand-offish, perhaps. They come into it only at certain points.

What are the panel’s views on that? Do you see a distinction between those who are accused—and who are then possibly convicted—and witnesses? Do you think about that when you think about trauma-informed practice?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

It is, but it is more about whether you think that the bill’s provisions will add value to how the current system deals with victims and witnesses.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

That was helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I am keen to follow up on the issue of bus passes and other universal access, as it came up quite a lot during our engagement sessions. Justine, you have seen the question and I know that you are happy with it, because you worked in partnership with the team here to draft it, but is there anything else that you want to say before the minister comes in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thanks very much for that thorough response. I think that you predicted the supplementary question that I was going to ask, which was about your role with other departments and ministers. I am conscious that a lot of the questions that we have asked today have been about other ministers, and you have answered them really well, but I want to ask about the specific work that you are doing with ministers and how you are doing it.

I think that you have already answered this, but I will just give you a chance to reiterate your answer. Is the policy of universal free school meals—of which I am a big supporter, as is Justine and the other members of the panel—something that comes up regularly at the meetings that you have described?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I know that you are personally committed to that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning to the minister and her team.

My question is from Justine, who is here today. He writes:

“The panel think that the universal bus pass policy has been a great way to tackle inequality and poverty, and that a similar approach should be used for free school meals, including removing stigma and barriers by taking away token schemes and raising the age of free meals to 18. What has the Minister done to work with the Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise to understand the equalities impacts of the current approach to free school meals, and will she commit to carrying out work on understanding how cross-cutting successes like the universal bus pass can be replicated in other policy areas to alleviate inequality?”

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Fulton MacGregor

I have a follow-up question to the discussions that we have been having. The response to the equality and human rights budget advisory group makes it clear that the Scottish Government does not intend to greatly increase direct engagement with the public on the budget process yet, through our engagement sessions and through doing things a wee bit differently, we have heard the citizens panel and the wider public ask for such engagement. The importance of understanding lived experience in the context of spending outcomes has been emphasised to us.

Do you acknowledge the calls for more opportunities for the public to engage more directly with the Scottish Government on the budget process? If so, will you outline why citizen-led approaches that reflect lived experience have not been incorporated into budget setting?