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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Either way, we want to be as open and transparent with the committee as possible. If there are any issues, we will write to the committee with an update.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I hope that, in her response, Jane MacPherson has been able to illustrate how we consider that, even though we are focusing on individual stocks. I appreciate from the committee’s call for evidence that there was some concern about the merging of the two cod plans, in particular. That has been done in order to match the science and the management approach, as ICES considers that those plans concern the same stock. I realise that this harks back to a discussion that we had about Clyde cod earlier in the year, and work has been on-going to consider that. Our approach does not mean that we are not able to consider different characteristics in the species. If more evidence becomes available, we would consider that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Jane, having dealt with the process so far, do you want to go into more detail on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Again, we already have a suite of work under way. In the work that we have been doing with our fisheries management and conservation group, we generally try to take a bottom-up approach to managing our fisheries and ensuring that we work with our fishers and wider stakeholders as we implement changes.

In relation to the specific measure that you are talking about, there are specific things that we have to cover in a fisheries management plan. I am not aware that that area is being considered at the moment, and it is certainly not being put to me.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Yes, I would be happy to. I know that that was an area of concern that was raised by stakeholders in response to the committee’s call for evidence.

It made sense to do so, because Seafish has a wealth of expertise in that area. I believe that it has also assisted DEFRA in the preparation of some its fisheries management plans. For us, it makes sense to make best use of that expertise and knowledge to assist us in that work.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I would come back to the points that Jane MacPherson just made, which are really important in relation to all the different issues that you touched on.

FMPs will be a really useful tool for setting that out clearly and in a way that is open and transparent. As Jane said, and as we no doubt all glean from discussions and from the various appearances at committees before, managing our fisheries is complex. The more that we can do to show that, and to evidence how we are meeting our objectives, the better.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I do not particularly believe that to be the case. Of course, as with anything, when we commission somebody to do work, it is only right that we would expect to pay them for that work. Again, it has a wealth of expertise in that area. It is not as if there will be a way of developing a plan completely in isolation.

We have a process, which I hope that we have been able to illustrate and outline today. The stakeholder engagement element of that is critical. We will work with our wider stakeholders and with industry. We will also have to have discussions with other Administrations, and there will be a full public consultation. All of that will be set out transparently. However, Seafish has that expertise, which is what we are looking to utilise.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Yes. First, I will touch on your first point: you are absolutely right about sustainable livelihoods. What comes through in the Fisheries Act 2020 is the issue of how we balance all the objectives. Our environment is critically important, and supporting a healthy marine environment is good for the livelihoods of our fishermen as well. However, we have to balance that against the economic situation, too. Our fishermen do their very best to fish sustainably and it is in all our interests to see that happen.

On the concerns about merging the two plans that you outlined, it has only been since last year that ICES has considered North Sea and west of Scotland cod to be part of the same biological stock, which is why we decided to merge the plans. That is designed to reflect the latest scientific understanding of the stock, in line with ICES’ advice structures. I hope that that helps to explain our approach. However, if any area-specific management measures need to be taken between the North Sea and the west of Scotland, we would consider those through the FMP process. I hope that that provides some reassurance on that front.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Well, that is the thing. We do not have a fisheries management plan for wrasse, but that has not prevented us from taking measures in the past and it would not prevent us from taking measures now. You have already highlighted the mandatory measures that we introduced in 2021. We did not need an FMP to do that, and that is the case now: if we identify that there is an issue with the stock, we can take action. We do not need to wait for the development of an FMP to address any issues.