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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

It would be good to know more about that German example. Thank you for that. I have a couple of more questions, convener. I will try to whizz through them because I am conscious of time.

What periods should the climate change plans cover? Does anyone have a view?

There are no strong views on that, okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

This follows on nicely from the previous question. Mike Robinson made a point well about more certainty helping with investment and transparency. As far as Parliament and the wider public are concerned, what information should be made available, ideally, to enable robust scrutiny and understanding of whether the proposed carbon budget has hit the right balance between being ambitious and being realistic? It is partly a question of communication and keeping people on board. What type of information do you think should be available?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

I think that climate action plan is a better name, but I will leave that for others to decide.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

I do not know whether everyone will want to answer this question, but please catch my eye if you do. Should the bill specify when the draft climate change plan should be laid?

Mike Robinson caught my eye first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

I will come back in briefly. The cabinet secretary’s opening remarks were about wanting to work openly with the Parliament and with this committee in particular. Given the timescales that we all have to work to, there needs to be a degree of trust, so it is disappointing to hear that the Government is not willing to share that living document with the committee. We see a lot of private papers, and that information is dealt with appropriately. For clarity, cabinet secretary, are you saying that you are not willing to share any of the work that has been done to date? What this committee—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

I am asking whether you have considered doing that, based on the work that the Scottish Government has been doing. You say that that work does not stop, that it is on-going and that people are working hard. We know that there is discussion between the Scottish Government and the CCC. Have you considered the option of publishing a draft plan before the CCC’s formal advice comes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

Apologies.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

I wonder if Alina Averchenkova or Catherine Higham want to answer.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

This question is inspired by Jackie Dunbar’s questions. The Parliament expected that other legislation would be introduced that would give effect to or would incorporate the right to a healthy environment. We thought that that was going to come through a human rights bill. However, that is not in the programme for government and I am not sure whether that will now happen at all in this parliamentary session.

Given that we have heard a lot today about the importance of action and sustaining ambition and intent, does it make the job of Government and society harder if we are not going to give people the right to expect and enjoy a clean, healthy, sustainable environment? We have also heard about the importance of communication with the public. Does that create a mixed message about whether that right is still important? Perhaps Mike Robinson could say something first, but if others have a view, I would be interested to hear it as well.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Monica Lennon

I would like to make a comment. I join you in welcoming Michael Matheson to the committee, and I am sure that we will all work well together.

I want to put a point on the record, which is not a reflection on the nomination or the candidate for deputy convener but is a matter for the SNP and for Parliament. The Presiding Officer commissioned a gender-sensitive audit, and I was part of the working group for that. It is important that we bear the aims of that piece of work in mind when we make decisions about appointments to Parliament. For the second time that the committee has appointed a new deputy convener, we find ourselves with an all-male convenership, which is not in the spirit of what we are aspiring to.

It is a matter for the SNP, because it gets to make the nomination. As I said, my comments are no reflection on Michael Matheson, but it is important that all business managers strive to achieve as much of a gender balance as possible.

I do not know what Jackie Dunbar was just saying across the table, but I want to put that point on the record. I am sure that all business managers read the Official Report, if they are not listening to our live proceedings.