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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

So the intention is, through the regulations, to reduce—it is hoped—the impact of odour, which would lead to a reduction in complaints, but if there are complaints, members of the public should go to the local authority in the first instance.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

Okay—thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

That sounds shambolic. Many constituents and communities across Scotland are worried that they do not have any effective means of challenging decisions about the environment that are made by public authorities We know that judicial review is very expensive and that it looks at process rather than the merit of a decision. It sounds as though you are saying that there is no real leadership.

We on the committee are all well aware that Scotland has a serious nature and climate emergency to tackle. Hearing words such as “lacklustre” and “shoddy” and the Government passing the independent watchdog of the ESS a “poisoned chalice” is quite alarming. Where does Scotland go from here?

To pick up on the point about the lack of data reporting, I am keen to get some clarity about the timeline. It sounds as though, if we eventually report that data, there will be quite a big gap in time. It worries me that we are creating opportunities for polluters to continue to wreck and damage Scotland’s environment with little consequence.

What more can ESS do on environmental governance? Who needs to be held to account on the gap in and reporting of environmental data?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

I hope that you do not mind me interrupting you, Richard. You do not appear very confident on the issue. Data that is collected but not analysed or reported does not serve any purpose. Can you be more precise about the topics that you are referring to? When you say that the environmental data is either being collected and not reported or it is not being collected, can you give some examples to the committee of what you mean?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

To recap, we are in breach of the Aarhus convention because people do not have proper rights to challenge environmental decisions by public bodies, the Scottish Government does not appear committed to enacting a right to a healthy environment and we do not seem to have a proper system of collecting and reporting environmental data. Do the Scottish Government and the other public bodies that have a role take the climate and nature emergency seriously enough?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

Thanks for that.

One of the recommendations in the 2016 review was that planning guidance on the use of sewage sludge in land restoration should be reviewed. I do not think that that has happened yet. Can you give an update?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

The public are still very concerned. Scottish Water has obviously made some progress, but are you satisfied that the actions that were set out in responses from Scottish Water, the Scottish Government and SEPA to the ESS investigation report on storm overflow will address your recommendations? I hear what you say about the Scottish Water overflow map, but do we now have a complete picture or is it still incomplete?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

Is there anything in relation to CSO that should be in the long-term strategy that Scottish Water is consulting on?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Monica Lennon

On Mark Ruskell’s point, it is important that we get this right, as there has been a huge amount of public interest.

My comment is more on the enforcement side. It would be good to hear more from the Scottish Government about how it expects it to work in practice, given that the responsibilities of the enforcement officers will be very public facing. There will be a lot of public interest in getting this right.

I am relaxed about whether we raise that with the Government in writing or through its appearance at the committee, but we need to hear more from the Government about how the fixed-penalty notices will work in practice and about enforcement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Appointment of the Chair of Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Monica Lennon

That is helpful to know.

A few years ago—perhaps five or six years ago—you were on SEPA’s board, but there has been a lot of change since then. You have touched on some of the resource pressures. We hear in the committee and in our individual regions and constituencies that people feel that it is hard to get information if they report something to SEPA or have a concern about pollution, and the public do not always hear about the lighter touch that is taken by having a dialogue with people who might be causing pollution. It feels as though there is a growing gap between the concerns that are reported and what the public hear in relation to outcomes and resolutions.

You have talked about your role in the networks and your insight. I have given the example of SEPA, but it is not the only organisation with such issues. How do you see ESS being able to be fair but firm and being able to improve public understanding and confidence? Right now, people feel that there is not a lot of accountability.