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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was helpful.

I should note for the Official Report that the first time that Professor O’Hagan and I met was when she was working for the Equal Opportunities Commission and I was working for the GMB trade union. In that respect, I was struck by what your written submission says in relation to your search for new powers, as some of them—the ability to take forward litigation, support legal proceedings and so on—look like the powers that the Equal Opportunities Commission used to have. It is worth noting for the Official Report that your long list of asks includes your powers being strengthened so that they cover your being able to

“Provide legal advice ... Raise legal proceedings ... Conduct inquiries in less limited circumstances ... Require and compel information ... Make unaccompanied and unannounced visits to any human rights duty bearer”

and

“Hold public hearings and require duty bearers to be present”.

You also ask for a bigger commission, but that is perhaps a separate point.

Could you run us through the difference that those additional powers would make to the work that you do at the moment?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Quite recently, we had a debate in the Parliament about your report on the Highlands and Islands. There is a real sense that people’s human rights are not being upheld in a whole range of areas, including access to public services, health services and culture. However, I cannot just go to the Inverness sheriff court and get a remedy for that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

If you had powers in that area, what more would you be able to do?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I have another quick, and much more straightforward and practical, question about shared services. One of the things that we are looking at is the extent to which shared services support exists and how it can be enhanced. What are the barriers to greater shared services?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I will go back to the regulator and advocacy distinction. Do you see yourself as having a regulatory role?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is interesting.

I know that this question is probably invidious, too, but could you put figures on that split? Is it now 80:20 or 50:50?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I want to pick up the points about powers, which you might be able to help me with. As I understand it, you have investigatory powers in relation to the human rights of groups of children. You now also have investigatory powers in relation to human rights in individual cases. You said that the prosecution of individual cases rests with the SPSO, but, when the SPSO came to see the committee, she explained that the office has no enforcement powers. It can make recommendations to public bodies—even to the Parliament and to Governments—but there is no binding requirement for its recommendations to be followed. Is that the model that you want?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That distinction is well made.

The other question that I want to put to you, which, again, is one that I put earlier to the Scottish Human Rights Commission, is about shared services. From your perspective, are there obvious barriers that are preventing greater sharing of services between the various SPCB supported bodies?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thank you very much.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was very clear and helpful.

There are other labels that get bandied about, such as the extent to which you are “proactive” or “reactive”; indeed, we have used those terms ourselves earlier, and you have answered Lorna Slater’s question on that point. This might seem invidious, but could you put percentages on the balance of your workload between proactive and reactive activities?