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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Before we finish, Graham Simpson has a quick follow-up question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

I thank Michael Oliphant, Stuart Nugent and the Auditor General for their evidence this morning on this important report.

We will convene a special meeting of the committee on Tuesday 17 March, when we will take evidence from the chief executive of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency, as well as from the Scottish Government’s director general corporate, because there is some responsibility in that quarter, too. We look forward to that session, when we will be able to put some questions to them.

As I understand it, Auditor General, this is the final public session of the Public Audit Committee that you will attend. I say, on behalf of the committee, a great thanks to the staff at Audit Scotland, and especially to you, for your outstanding leadership of the organisation. The public service that you provide, the spotlight that you shine, in the public interest, and the quality and standard of the work that you produce are exceptional. It has allowed us, as a committee, to scrutinise public bodies in the way that we have been able to do over the past five years—at least, while I have been chairing the committee, because Colin Beattie goes back even further. The work that you do provides not just this committee and Parliament, but the public, with a hugely important public service. I wanted to put that on the record, on behalf of the committee.

12:15

Meeting continued in private until 12:47.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Okay. I have just one particular area that I want to ask you about, which is mentioned in the report: the whole issue of power of attorney. That gets us almost into a legal area, does it not? It is about whether people have access to established power-of-attorney arrangements with their relatives or with whoever. That is seen to be one of the reasons why we have delayed discharge: because those arrangements are not in place. Could you shed a bit more light on that and perhaps explain what the Government is doing to tackle it? That seems to be one of the driving forces behind delayed discharge and people getting caught up in the system.

09:45

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Finally, I turn to the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, who has some questions for you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

That makes sense.

I go back to my original question. All of this stems from the McCloud judgment, which was a court case in which the UK Government was challenged under age discrimination laws. My question was whether the Scottish Public Pensions Agency could be sued by people in the small claims court or another arena because it has failed to meet its legal responsibilities to make those assessments and then to give people any back pension pay that they are due.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. I begin by asking you whether you accept in full the key messages, findings and recommendations of these reports.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

No—I recognise that it was a wide-ranging question, and well done for remembering all of those different headings that I put to you.

I have just a couple of other questions that I want to raise with you. I suppose that one of my overall points is that we have integration authorities and integration joint boards, and you are the director general of health and social care, but we are still having all these issues with delayed discharge. That is about whether we have a joined-up social care and health system, is it not? Does this report not suggest that that is not working? The integration is not working, and the plan that we have had for the past 10 years has not delivered what it was supposed to deliver.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

You have mentioned a whole-system approach a couple of times. In the report, exhibit 3 sets out the areas where there are contributory factors to this systematic failure. It talks about “financial pressures” but also makes the observation—it is the Accounts Commission and Audit Scotland making this observation—that “governance is complicated”, and that, while we have “an ageing population”, there

“is a lack of planning for the future housing needs of an ageing population”.

The report also highlights something that we have discussed repeatedly over the past few years, which is our workforce shortages, not just in the national health service but in social care in particular. Could you explain to us how you are addressing each of those challenge areas that are identified in the report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

It might be a Scottish Government issue as well, of course.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I am going to move us on and invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.