The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
I have a final question. When we discussed the adult concessionary bus travel arrangements earlier, Graham Simpson said that more than 1,000 people have used the bus passes of people who are deceased. For the record, it is fair to say that that was out of 99,600 people. In other words, 99 per cent of the population are entirely honest. Let us get some perspective on that.
However, I wonder about the extent to which you monitor the bus operators, because there are interesting considerations around whether the journeys that are charged for are the journeys that people have actually taken or whether there is a mismatch. For example, when you get off the bus, you are supposed to swipe your card to say, “This is the stop that I’m getting off at.” If you do not do that, what is the default position? Is it that the bus operator charges for a longer journey? I wonder whether that falls within the remit of the national fraud initiative or whether it is looked at somewhere else.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Our main item of business this morning is consideration of the report “National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”. I welcome our witnesses, who join us in the committee room. We have John Cornett, executive director of audit services, Audit Scotland; and Tim Bridle, audit manager, Audit Scotland. We have some questions to put to you about the report but, before we get to that, I invite you to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Thanks. That is a useful clarification. We are going to get into some of the specific match areas, but first I have a couple of questions on the broader impact of the initiative. In exhibit 3 in the report, you talk about the wider benefits of the national fraud initiative. You list that it can
“Act as a deterrent to potential fraudsters ... provide assurance that systems are operating well”
and
“identify where system improvements are required”.
Can you tell us more about that? What evidence do you have to support your claims in the report?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
To what extent do you see the exercise as being one of catching fraud versus one of preventing fraud?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
And to add an element of menace, no doubt.
I will move on to another part of the report, which struck me as being quite an important piece of analysis that you have presented to us. In exhibit 4, you track the performance of various bodies over the past five years in taking action, or having the ability to take action, where errors or fraud are identified.
What is especially striking is the decline in satisfactory performance, particularly in local government and the national health service. Five years ago, the satisfactory performance rate in local government—which I presume relates to how its systems are working—was at around 80 per cent, but it is now down to 60 per cent. In the NHS, broadly speaking, five years ago, it was at 95 per cent, but it is now at 80 per cent. There has been considerable slippage there, has there not? Will you explain a bit more about what lies behind that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Is the exercise not self-financing? In other words, if I employ three people to follow the work up, on salaries of £50,000 or £60,000 each, will I not get that money back because the work that they do will bring in revenue that was paid out in error or because of fraudulent claims?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. I think that you described it earlier as something that we should view as a one-off exercise or a point-in-time exercise, but I presume that you have—I think that you mention this in the report—an on-going relationship with the bodies that you work with on the national fraud initiative. Can you tell us a little more about the dynamics of that, how it works and what you are doing to monitor the impact of the activity that you undertake in the exercise?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Thanks for that.
We now want to spend a bit of time on some of the specific areas that you drill down into in the report. To get us under way on that, I invite Graeme Simpson to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you for setting out that introductory statement and some of the main issues that are contained in the report. We are going to get into quite a bit more detail during the next hour or so. I begin by inviting James Dornan to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay.
In response to one of James Dornan’s questions, you talked about the reduction in the number of bodies involved from 132 to 110 as being partly a reflection of pension schemes not taking part or the classification of pension schemes being changed. The Strathclyde local government pension scheme, for example, is worth £28 billion—it is one of the top 10 schemes out of all the pension schemes across the UK. Incidentally, the university superannuation scheme comes top of that league, I think. Are you saying that the Strathclyde pension scheme was previously in the exercise and is no longer in the exercise?