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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

That was a very long answer, but when I look at the Scottish public finance manual, it is crystal clear. Under the heading “Absence of Accountable Officer”, it says that if an accountable officer is expected to be absent for longer than four weeks, the principal accountable officer should be notified and action should be taken to appoint an interim replacement. The principal accountable officer is you, Mr Griffin, is it not?

I get that if somebody was off for four, five or six weeks, there might be some bridging arrangement, but if they are off for six months, that means that an organisation that is responsible for 1,600 members of staff and has a turnover of public money does not have an accountable officer for that period.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

We have an evidence session with representatives from the GFG Alliance coming up. If you can share any of the advice that you get with the committee in advance of that session, it would be very useful. In the interests of time, I will move on. I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

But do you agree that that is about right—that approval should be given at cabinet secretary level?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

I am sorry to hear that. Following up on that, Mr Hogg or Ms Riach, can you tell us how the Scottish Government responded to Ms Brown’s view that she was being treated unfairly by the board of the organisation?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that opening statement. Do you accept the findings and recommendations of both of the reports that we are considering this morning?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Did that unearth any of the things that subsequently came out in the section 22 report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Yes, but that is not strictly true, is it? One of the findings of the Audit Scotland report was that, for six months, there was not an accountable officer in place inside Historic Environment Scotland. If I look at the Scottish public finance manual, it is absolutely clear that if an accountable officer is expected to be absent for four weeks or more, an interim arrangement should be reached and a replacement should be put in place. For six months—not just four weeks—an accountable officer was not in place. That does not sound as though the sponsorship arrangement was working very well at all.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Do you think that the sponsorship arrangements are fit for purpose?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

But what is also extraordinary is that this was all happening at the same time that the Water Industry Commission for Scotland was the subject of section 22 reports highlighting various characteristics that later emerged as being present in Historic Environment Scotland, such as travel expenses and the use of credit cards. Do you not think that that really ought to have been identified as a problem, given that the Scottish Government had been made aware, through the exposure by Audit Scotland and the Public Audit Committee, of what was going on at WICS? Why was the same approach not applied when the Government was looking at what was going on in Historic Environment Scotland?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Richard Leonard

By all means, Joe.