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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Fine. That is helpful. As Edel Harris pointed out to us last week, there is quite a high level of interdependency between the two systems in terms of passporting to benefits, the fiscal framework and how that works, and the Barnett formula. Earlier, Kevin Stevens was able to give us chapter and verse on why the figure may be less because the planned reductions in PIP eligibility were paused. I think that he said they were reversed, but they were paused or halted, anyway. These things are quite important in allowing us to understand that there is at least an attempt at ministerial and possibly at official level to have some influence on that review.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

I have two very quick final questions. My first one is for Mr Wallace, and it relates to the answer that you have just given. It is a hallmark of Social Security Scotland that the private sector is not involved in the assessment process, which distinguishes it from the path that the DWP has gone down. Is the private sector involved at all in the surveillance strategy that you just spoke of?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

The report talks in very positive terms about “good early progress” and about the transfer from PIP to adult disability payment being on track. Generally, it is quite positive, but it also says—other members of the committee will ask questions about this—that there is not yet a “detailed strategy” for how the Government will manage the overall budget, given that there is a growing gap between the DWP’s bill and Social Security Scotland’s bill. The report also says that performance information is “limited”. Do you accept those criticisms as well as the praise?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

We were told that it is expected that the Government will provide a formal response by February, six months on from the report’s publication date. Is it your expectation that that is when we will get the Government’s response, or will we possibly get it before then?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, but I am asking about the report that we are discussing this morning. Do you accept the recommendations and findings of this report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

You mentioned in your opening statement that you are pleased with the key messages in the report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Does the Scottish Funding Council need more powers and greater sanctions to stop colleges getting themselves into financial difficulties? Would that work?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

The job evaluation of non-teaching staff came up earlier, as it has come up almost every year when we have had similar evidence sessions or looked at particular colleges, because it is a long-standing and outstanding piece of unfinished business. You mentioned money transferring to colleges and then transferring back to the Scottish Government. My understanding is that the Scottish Government has underwritten the outcomes of the job evaluation. Is that your understanding, too?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

Under agenda item 1, members of the committee are to consider whether to take agenda items 4 to 8 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report on adult disability payment. I am very pleased to welcome, from the Scottish Government, Miriam Craven, the director general for communities; Stephen Kerr, the director for social security; and Kevin Stevens, the head of strategic and programme finance for social security. I am also very pleased to welcome, from Social Security Scotland, David Wallace, the chief executive, and Helen Fogarty, the head of performance, analysis and strategy.

We have some questions to put to you, but, before we get to those questions, I ask Miriam Craven to make a short opening statement.