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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Not £106,000.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay—£106 million.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, Colin; Willie Coffey is anxious to get in on the nationalisation question.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. Willie Coffey, one of the members of the committee, is not able to join us in the committee room, but I am pleased to say—and see—that he is joining us via videolink. Willie knows that he just needs to indicate in the chat function if he wants to come in.

Item 1 is consideration of a decision to take in private agenda items 3 and 4. Does the committee agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

While we are on the subject of documentary evidence, at our meeting on 26 May, there was some discussion about what Mr Brannen kept referring to as “the bit of paper”. In his evidence, he said:

“with further investigation by Fran Pacitti and the records team it”—

the paperwork—

“turned up … I accept that, on that occasion, that one bit of paper was not easy to find, but we did find it … Now that we have the bit of paper that explains that the minister accepted that, that is the totality of that exchange.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 26 May 2022; c 7, 8.]

Fran Pacitti, what were you asked to look for and who asked you to look for it?

09:15  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Do you think that that is what you found?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

That is not the view of Audit Scotland. Even after the discovery of 11 May and the publication that you were able to make, Audit Scotland said:

“The email confirms that ministers approved the award of the FMEL contract. But there remains insufficient documentary evidence to explain why the decision was made to proceed with the contract, given the significant risks and concerns raised by CMAL.”

Notwithstanding what you have said, Audit Scotland’s view is quite different, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

I just wanted to follow up Sharon Dowey’s question, which, I think, Mo Rooney answered, on the changing role of CMAL and its having the role of overseeing the work in the yard. When the question was asked, legitimately, whether you thought that that represented a conflict of interest, you said that you had given consideration to the matter, presumably concluding that there was no such conflict. Can you provide us with any documentary evidence of those considerations?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

When did you find the thing that Mr Brannen referred to as “the bit of paper”?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Richard Leonard

I think that that was the same day that the Conservative party called a debate on ferries in the Parliament. Is that correct?