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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

But we asked Transport Scotland to disclose that letter—that correspondence—and it gave us a version that was not even redacted, but severely edited.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

You have 30 seconds.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

On that note, First Minister, I thank you for your time this morning, and for the interaction that you have had with the committee; it is greatly appreciated. We have identified a number of areas where it would be useful to follow up to try to seek further particulars, and I am sure that the clerks and your office will be able to co-ordinate that. We hope that that will then add to the scrutiny record that the committee has and inform any report that we produce.

Thank you, once again, First Minister. I now draw the public part of this morning’s meeting to a close.

11:59 Meeting continued in private until 12:27.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Are you saying that your senior special adviser did not report back to you about those conversations?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I now turn to Willie Coffey, who has a couple more questions to put, after which I will bring in Graham Simpson.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

What is the point of the Cabinet if it does not take decisions of that kind?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Well, the view of Audit Scotland is that there is “insufficient documentary evidence”, and paragraph 5.1.9 of the Scottish public finance manual spells out the kind of recording of those decisions that there needs to be.

I have a final question for you, before I hand over to the deputy convener. You mentioned that you had no involvement in the decisions around 8 and 9 October 2015, but your senior special adviser, Alexander Anderson, was copied into all of those emails.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

You mentioned your Government’s decisions, and one matter that is of interest to the committee is what was brought to Cabinet. Was the preferred bidder announcement taken to Cabinet, or were the unconditional financial guarantee of £106 million to CMAL, the £45 million bail out of FMEL, the financial collapse of FMEL or the nationalisation decision taken to Cabinet?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

So you share some responsibility for the position that we are now in, of—

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the 26th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on the agenda is a decision on whether to take agenda item 3 in private. Do members agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.