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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 December 2024
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Public Audit Committee

“Community justice: Sustainable alternatives to custody”

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. We will now go back to the agenda.

I thank Stephen Boyle for joining us once again, and we are pleased to welcome by videolink Antony Clark, who is interim director of performance audit and best value at Audit Scotland, and Nichola Williams, who is a senior auditor at Audit Scotland. Once again, Willie Coffey, who is of our own, is joining us by videolink.

I ask the Auditor General to give us a brief introductory statement. We would then like to ask questions about the community justice report.

Public Audit Committee

“Community justice: Sustainable alternatives to custody”

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

The extent of the current pressure on the capacity of Scotland’s prisons is a matter of public policy concern. Based on your analysis, do you have any sense of the reduction or change in the balance of those figures that would address that concern? You have reported on the state of the Scottish Prison Service before. Do you have a view about the extent to which the balance needs to be tilted from custodial to community sentences to relieve the pressure in the prison service?

Public Audit Committee

“Community justice: Sustainable alternatives to custody”

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

At the start, you mentioned the high incarceration rates in Scotland compared with those in other parts of western Europe. In your report, you say that around 5 per cent of the overall justice budget is spent on community-based sentences. What is the international picture, and what does the situation in Scotland look like in comparison with other countries that have much lower rates of imprisonment of people who have committed crimes?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you. If, at any point, you want to bring in Graeme Logan or Gayle Gorman, please feel free to do so.

You mentioned the OECD—we will come on to ask some questions about its report shortly. You also spoke about the extent of data collection. One of the other rather pointed conclusions in Audit Scotland’s report is in paragraph 25, which bluntly says:

“The Scottish Government’s national aim is to improve outcomes for all, but it has not set out by how much or by when.”

As well as collecting more data, do you plan to address that charge in the report?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

But the Government has targets on, for example, child poverty and fuel poverty. Therefore, has any consideration been given to setting targets on reducing the attainment gap and putting a timescale next to it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Colin Beattie has a series of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Okay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

We might come back to funding and the extent to which it is additional. You mentioned the OECD report. Sharon Dowey has some questions about that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

I now turn to Willie Coffey, who, as I mentioned, is joining us remotely. Willie, the floor is yours.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 30 September 2021

Richard Leonard

We have a further series of questions covering the poverty gap and some of the funding aspects of that. Craig Hoy will begin on that.