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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Catherine Topley, can I take you back to your opening statement? It was not entirely clear to me whether you accept the analysis and recommendations that the Auditor General for Scotland has made. Do you accept those recommendations?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome, everyone, to the 10th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee.

Before we begin, I remind members, witnesses and staff present that the Parliament’s social distancing rules apply. If you are entering, walking around or leaving the room, I ask that you wear a face covering, please. You do not have to do that when you are seated or when giving evidence.

Item 1 is a decision on whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Richard Leonard

You said that you accept the recommendations and analysis in the Auditor General’s report. That includes paragraph 5, which says:

“Scottish Canals will now undertake a new valuation process of the canal infrastructure estate in its entirety during 2022.”

You are committed to doing that, I presume. Audit Scotland goes on to explain why that is important. It is not just a technical exercise of ticking a box to comply with ONS, Her Majesty’s Treasury or Scottish Government requirements; it is about supporting

“preparation of Scottish Canals’ medium-term financial strategy”,

so it is an important and central part of how you plan for the future. You have accepted the deadline. What happens if you do not meet it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. I will move things on by inviting Sharon Dowey to ask some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, indeed, for that comprehensive opening statement, which is useful. I am sure that it will provoke lots of questions.

Craig Hoy will put the opening question to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Richard Leonard

That draws to an end the questions that we have for you. We will reflect on the evidence that you have given and we may pursue some lines of inquiry with you after the meeting. Thank you for coming and being present in the committee room. It was good to have people sat in front of us, so that we could properly inquire into your response to the very serious report that Audit Scotland published. I thank Catherine Topley for leading on the evidence; it is appreciated. I also thank Andrew Thin, Sarah Jane Hannah and the team from Transport Scotland—Hugh Gillies, Fran Pacitti and Lee Shedden—for their evidence.

10:06 Meeting continued in private until 11:25.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

The report draws to our attention the additional funding that has been provided for the express purpose of attending to staff wellbeing. I think that the figures are £8 million and £4 million, which does not sound like an awful lot of money compared with the overall NHS budget. Are those amounts addressing the scale of the challenge?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

I am sure that this committee and other committees in the Parliament might well return to that point in the future.

I will move on to another area of interest in the report: long Covid rehabilitation. The report says that

“The Scottish Government has funded nine studies to develop the clinical knowledge base”

for understanding long Covid. Could you give us a bit more information about those studies, including on timescales and how the results will be reported to the Scottish Government to inform its future decision making in the area?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

The final series of questions is on NHS finances. I was struck by paragraph 115 in the report, where you use the well-chosen words that we are used to seeing from you, Auditor General, when you say:

“The Scottish Government is providing additional support to six NHS boards facing a particularly challenging financial position.”

You go on to say that those boards have to submit monthly plans. I presume that, every month, they have to submit plans that outline the savings that they are making. That is during a period when we are, in effect, still in an emergency. One of the six boards affected is NHS Highland, which was the subject of a section 22 report that we considered earlier this year.

Will you reflect on that position? Is it your understanding that the financial positions of those six boards will be improved by the 2022-23 financial year?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

He is back.