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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Do you mean the fees that are charged?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes. I declare an interest as the convener of the Public Audit Committee.

I am not sure that where you finished up was the same place as you started, because you seem to be suggesting—quite rightly, in my view—that external audit by Audit Scotland gives you a certain validation. I think that your last audit included an unmodified opinion and accounts, that said that there was regularity in expenditure and income, and that you were working effectively. Those are all positive things.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Of course, the converse of that is that last week we heard from the Ethical Standards Commissioner. Two years ago, that office was the subject of a section 22 report because of major failings in the organisation. Do you think that external audit is extremely valuable in highlighting what is working well and in identifying where things are not working well at all?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

The price of the audit might be a separate point from the point about organisation of the audit.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes, I would expect nothing less.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Sorry—it is not something that you would seek?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is fine. To go back to your previous answer, does that situation not get us into events such as the recent controversy about the recommendations over the women against state pension inequality at a UK level? The Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman made a recommendation around maladministration by the Department for Work and Pensions and called for universal compensation payments to be made. Of course, to its shame, the Labour Government has decided not to pay out compensation but simply to issue an apology.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I will be a bit more granular in my question. You have key performance indicators. What are they? In your written submission, you have mentioned qualitative indicators. What are those? You write about benchmarking against other organisations. Which organisations? Which KPIs do you benchmark against?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

My next question is for clarification. We have been told that you have 80 full-time equivalent staff, which is quite a large number of employees compared to some of the other commissions and commissioners. Presumably, it therefore makes some sense for you to lead on things such as HR functions.