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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks for that response. I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to ask some questions of you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—good. That is a nice bookend, because we finish as we started, by looking at the governance arrangements.

I thank the Auditor General, Mark MacPherson and Claire Tennyson from Audit Scotland, and Andrew Burns from the Accounts Commission, for their evidence. You have undertaken to have a look at some of our requests for a bit more data. We would very much appreciate it if you could supply us with that, because we will need to consider our next steps in reviewing the findings and recommendations in the report.

We will now have a further evidence session, but I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses. We will resume in five minutes or so.

11:00 Meeting suspended.  

11:05 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson wants to come back in with a very quick question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

That is great, Joe—thank you very much. Yes, I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put some questions to you on this and some other areas.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, Graham. I now invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to our witnesses.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

It is mentioned in the report, is it not, that there can be quite a wide variation from local authority to local authority? What is done to promote good practice? How much networking is there to elevate those examples where things have gone well and where there have been more successful interventions and outcomes compared with those in other areas where there appears to have been fairly minimal activity?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. I will begin by looking at the governance and accountability arrangements. Your report draws attention to the extremely complex governance arrangements that are in place surrounding the Promise. I think that you used the expression “challenging” and said that the attempts so far to address that complex governance landscape have been—again, I will use your word—“insufficient”. Could you expand on that a little bit and give us your understanding of what those governance arrangements are, how they have come about, and what needs to be done to address them?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I note that one of your recommendations calls on the Scottish Government, with support from The Promise Scotland, to complete within the next six months—so there is an urgency to this—work to

“review and identify opportunities to streamline the remit, status, and expected impact of governance groups, boards and forums linked to The Promise”,

so you have clearly identified that as requiring urgent attention.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will ask you another question to get your response on the record. You will have read the Audit Scotland report on adult disability payment. Do you agree with the recommendations that are made in that report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That is very helpful. Finally, you have alluded already to the fact that your report makes 58 recommendations across a range of areas. That might not be quite as big a range as you might have liked; nonetheless, 58 is a lot of recommendations. Do you have a view about what the priorities should be for the Scottish Government in the short, medium and long terms? By February of next year, or hopefully even before that, if the Government said, “We accept the recommendations of Edel Harris’s independent review on adult disability payment” and you were in the Government’s shoes, which ones would you look to accelerate and implement in the short term and which ones might be more for the medium and longer terms?