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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

He did not sign the 2007 one, though, did he?

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023/24”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Mr Davies, you might want to respond to that question, but I want to ask specifically about the point that you made in your opening statement about the error, which you have taken a fairly dim view of, I think. Can you talk us through that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

The change was approved by the board of WICS at the time. That is our understanding of what happened: we have been told that.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2023/24”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I think that that concludes our session. I was particularly struck by Gareth Davies’s point about the importance of evaluation, especially when it comes to the impact of taxation, both in advance of those taxes being introduced and after their introduction. I think that we would all benefit from that.

You are right to highlight the fact that we, as the Public Audit Committee of the Scottish Parliament, have a particular interest in how public money is spent. However, we are also MSPs who will vote on budget decisions. As a result, this is not just retrospective consideration of the way in which things have gone; it is also about the contemporaneous decisions that are being made on tax policy.

I thank Richard Robinson; Carole Grant; the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle; the Comptroller and Auditor General, Gareth Davies; and Darren Stewart of the NAO very much for their time and their evidence this morning. That evidence is very valuable to us.

I suspend the meeting.

10:43 Meeting suspended.  

10:51 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I welcome everyone back to the Public Audit Committee, following our suspension. We are delighted to resume our evidence sessions this morning with agenda item 3, which is further consideration of “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”.

I welcome our witnesses who join us in the committee room this morning. I am particularly pleased to welcome David Satti, who is the interim chief executive of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland. Alongside Mr Satti is Ronnie Hinds, who is the chair of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland’s board.

We are also very pleased to welcome back the director general for net zero at the Scottish Government, Roy Brannen. You are very welcome, Roy—it is good to see you. Alongside Mr Brannen is Michelle Quinn, who is the director of offshore wind, but has previously been acting as the interim director general for net zero. We are also pleased to welcome back Kersti Burge, who is director of energy and climate change in that directorate, and Jo Blewett, who is the deputy director for the water industry in the Scottish Government.

As you know, time is quite precious for us this morning, but there are some important areas that we want to cover, so I encourage the committee members to keep their questions precise. If witnesses could be concise in their answers, that would be very helpful.

However, before we get into those questions, we are pleased to invite Ronnie Hinds to speak on behalf of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland, then Roy Brannen, to speak on behalf of the Scottish Government. I turn to Mr Hinds first, to kick us off.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

The Acting Minister for Climate Action told Parliament yesterday afternoon that the Scottish Government seeks to ensure that executive pay is kept under control. It does not sound like it is being kept under control, though, does it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is fine.

Mr Hinds or Mr Satti, as the regulator and given your terms of reference, do you have any reflections on what has come out in the last few days?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

We are looking for accurate information, so if it is better to send us that in writing, that is acceptable.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Kersti Berge wants to come in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you—that was succinct.