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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

It is Audit Scotland.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is not an uncommon problem in the public sector.

You mention in your written submission that there are about 500 appeals per annum. To reflect on the figures that you have just given us, how many applications or approaches do you receive and what does that translate into? If there are about 90,000 requests, 500 appeals seems like a massive drop.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

What is that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thanks. I have one final area of questioning. I am here as a back-bench Labour MSP, but I am also the convener of the Public Audit Committee, and you mentioned conversations that you have had with the Auditor General for Scotland. Some of the points that you make in your written submission did ring some alarm bells with me. For example, first, you talk about being “financially hamstrung”. Secondly, when it comes to being more accountable, you say:

“it detracts me and my small team away from our core business.”

Thirdly, you speak about

“the disproportionality of the governance model”.

Propriety, accountability and governance are areas that regularly get public bodies into trouble, and they end up coming before the Public Audit Committee.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Did you say,

“it detracts me and my small team away from our core business”?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Accountability was the issue.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I want to be clear about it. I do not want to get this confused. Do you want to elaborate on

“the disproportionality of the governance model”?

Are those your words?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

You said earlier that your staff complement is around 28. Some 24 hours ago, the Public Audit Committee was taking evidence on the Water Industry Commission for Scotland, which has had two years of section 22 reports because of problems of governance, of value for money, of propriety, of accountability and so on. It has only 21 members of staff, so size is not something that allows you to avoid accountability, audit and scrutiny. It is actually quite important that those rules of transparency and accountability are in place.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

In response to an earlier question, you touched on areas in which you think your remit could usefully be extended. As Lorna Slater described, you are going to come up against, and have to try to proactively pre-empt, an evolving set of challenges, but are there aspects of your powers that could be enhanced to lead to better outcomes from the work that you do?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That is useful