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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Lesley Fraser alluded to the fact that her understanding is that your progress is broadly in line with that of agencies in England and Wales. However, the Auditor General said that, although it is not the only UK pension provider facing this situation, there was “optimism bias” in communications. How do you respond to that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

I will begin where you finished. For our benefit, what is the relationship between you and the Scottish Government—the director general corporate? Our understanding was that you are an executive agency of the Scottish Government and therefore do not have a sponsorship team from the Scottish Government. Will you clarify the lines of accountability and management?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

My final question is on your 17 February 2026 letter to Kenneth Gibson, convener of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The annex to the letter discussed comparative rates of uptake and statements being issued and so on. In paragraph 5 of the annex, there was no mention whatsoever of firefighters. Why was that? What is the overall position in England and Wales, for example? Are they as far behind with the firefighters scheme as you are?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

I am sure that the Auditor General understands that. Nonetheless, he thought it right to lay before the Parliament a section 22 report, because, as he described when he gave evidence to us on 18 February, it is about not just the individual pensioner interest but the public interest. There is a public interest over the failure to carry out the action that is required following the McCloud judgment.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Okay, but we take advice from the Auditor General, and he has laid before us, as members of the Parliament, a section 22 report—bear in mind that it was published just six weeks ago, so it is a very current analysis—in which he says, in paragraph 23 of his conclusion:

“I am concerned about the SPPA’s progress in meeting its 2015 Remedy obligations and about its capacity to deliver outstanding cases by the extended timescales.”

Lesley Fraser, how do you respond to that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Dr Pathirana, how do you respond to paragraph 23 of the Auditor General’s report, which I just read to Lesley Fraser?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

We might get to that, but, in the interest of moving things along, I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Before we move on, I will take you back to the police scheme. In evidence that we took on 18 February, we were told that one factor that might have influenced your organisation in prioritising the police scheme was the fact that 87 per cent of all freedom of information requests were from police scheme members. In other words, they were mobilised, they were organised and they were putting the pressure on.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. On that cheery note, I close the public part of this morning’s meeting.

12:51

Meeting continued in private until 13:00.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put the final series of questions to you.