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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

I will put forward the climate change plan with the costings that are associated with it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

There are two components to this. First, there is what the Government will do. I pledge to get the draft plan to you in the time that I have outlined—I am confident that we have the capacity in the Government to do that. Secondly, there is what the committee decides to do by way of scrutiny.

You have outlined that we are required by statute to bring forward a draft climate change plan within two months of Parliament agreeing to the carbon budgets, and that is followed by a 120-day period of parliamentary scrutiny. We will then have a maximum of three months to publish a finalised climate change plan. We have worked out our timings. The committee now knows our timings and will be able to undertake its programme of scrutiny.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

All I can say at this point in time is that we have worked out a timeline that will enable us to produce a final climate change plan. One reflection that I have on the previous climate change plan is that, once a new Government was in place in the new parliamentary session, many parliamentarians who had been fully behind the climate change plan and the 75 per cent reduction by 2030 would not vote to support even the most modest of proposals or the smallest of actions.

There is a big lesson in that for us in relation to getting the Parliament to sing with one voice on the challenge of our lifetimes: addressing climate change and getting to net zero. It is one thing to agree on targets, but that must be followed by collaboration and discussion on the action that is required. We are politicians, but we also have a mission. When we set targets and a direction of travel as part of that mission, it is not enough for us to say, “This is what we have to achieve.” We must work together as a Parliament and talk constructively about the actions that we will take to achieve that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

A lot needs to be done. I will be very interested to see the UK Government’s response to the challenges that have been put to it about reaching its carbon budgets, because it is going to have to make a plan to address its legal challenge in that regard.

Looking at some of the sectors involved, I have outlined in summary to Ed Miliband—my letter went out a week or two ago—the areas in which we need to see faster action at UK level to allow the devolved Governments to be able to effectively achieve their goals.

It is a symbiotic relationship. I have said many times that the UK’s target of net zero by 2050 is not achievable without Scotland achieving its 2045 target, and vice versa. So—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

No. It is going to be very challenging.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

Are you still talking about a planning application?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

A planning application that could come forward.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

I am not going to be pushed into talking about a particular project that would require a planning decision, but I will say that the advice that is given to us by the Climate Change Committee puts forward its opinion on what should happen in certain areas. We do not have to transpose that opinion entirely into our climate change plan. You are right that, in accepting the carbon budgets that it has set, we need to find a plan to use those carbon budgets.

I made a statement when the advice was received that we do not agree with the CCC’s suggestion on livestock numbers. We think that we can go further on peatland restoration than it has projected. We think that we can decarbonise our electricity supply, and we are very far ahead on that already.

We obviously need carbon capture, usage and storage to be built out. We have had some positive news about Acorn, which has been given the support that it needs to come to fruition. It is not 100 per cent support, but we are in a much better place than we were with the previous Government. On that point, I come back to my earlier comments about the economic boost that innovating and proving the concept of technologies will give Scotland. Once we have done that and got to net zero, we will be able to export that expertise to other countries.

Mr Lumsden, you are right that, when we disagree with the CCC’s assumptions or opinions, and the carbon emissions that are associated with those opinions, we need to give alternatives. Those will be in the climate change plan, which you will see by the end of October or start of November.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Gillian Martin

A number of statements on energy will be coming to the Parliament in parallel with the climate change plan, but I cannot currently divulge what they will be about.