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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

From my point of view, it is important, first, that the regulations are in place, that everyone knows what they are and that continuous work is done on the matter. I come back to my earlier point that new contaminants could be identified, and there has to be consistent monitoring of the sort of things that have been used and are appearing in sewage sludge. This is not just a one-time thing; it is a continuous piece of work.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

I will come to the safe sludge matrix in a second. The committee is aware that the Scottish Government wants to keep pace with EU regulations, and the approach to this issue is no exception in that regard. At the moment, the EU is considering new legislation on sewage sludge and on the wider circular economy. We are keeping up to date with how that is going and what it could mean for us. As a result of deliberations at the EU level, modifications to the urban waste water treatment and sewage sludge directives might be considered.

From what I hear, the EU is consulting on the matter over the summer, and we will be keeping a close eye on that. It is potentially looking to introduce new legislation by the end of the year, which could have an impact on us. The EU is doing a great deal of work on that.

The matter has been looked at by the Scottish Government, with partners, including, in particular, Scotland’s Rural College. You are right that there are new contaminants as well as existing ones, which we must always be aware of. We have left the EU, but there are regimes in place in the United Kingdom of which we need to be mindful.

I will bring in Phil Leeks on the safe sludge matrix.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

Gary is in the weeds of this, so I will hand over to him.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

I might need to ask my officials for a definitive answer, but the oversight group has been set up so that we actively monitor the situation. As I said, the group will meet every month, and we will get reports on staff training and our ability to meet the deadlines. I would hope that, if things were not going to plan, we would find that out early and be able to provide assistance or guidance, even if resources were required. I would hope that that would happen well ahead of a situation in which we had to think about stop-go.

Phil Leeks might want to add something.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

I have in front of me some definitions and the schedules that they relate to. Waste feedstock permit level activity is set out in proposed new schedule 20 to the 2018 regulations, as inserted by schedule 11 to the amendment regulations, while permit level activity for non-waste feedstock is set out in proposed new schedule 26 to the 2018 regulations, as inserted by schedule 17 to the amendment regulations. SEPA determines the environmental limits. I hope that that is helpful.

I am trying to give you as much information as possible, but I think that SEPA is, as Phil Leeks has said, the determining body as to whether something is waste or non-waste. That is the discussion that it is having at the moment with the Scotch Whisky Association.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

Not really. The reduction of ammonia emissions has been incorporated into existing codes of practice; for example, there is the “Prevention of Environmental Pollution From Agricultural Activity”. Instead of having a completely different document and code of practice, we have brought ammonia emissions into an existing code of practice. That work has been done.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

I am hopeful that it will make a difference. The SRUC has a very good reputation in the work that it does with land managers to bring forward innovative practices that are good for the environment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

Again, you have touched on something that is quite niche, for which I do not have a specific answer. I need to find out more about that, but SEPA would be able to advise on whether it is something that it wants me to look at. It is something that I will need to take away, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Gillian Martin

The oversight group reports to me. Given that, I imagine that decisions would be taken as a result of advice coming to me about any issues that might arise. I am confident that that will not happen, though, because governance arrangements have been put in place. The group has met ahead of the regulations coming into force. Its members know that scrutiny and oversight will be regular and that actions will be associated with every meeting that takes place. A report will come to me about progress on that, too.