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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

We will return to this, but earlier you mentioned judge-led inquiries. I think that, to date, every inquiry in Scotland has been led by a judge, but that is not the case in England or in other countries, where, sometimes, a specialist in a particular area can lead an inquiry. Have you any thoughts on that? Every time that we take a judge out of the legal system, the court cases all pile up.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

So that has happened—fair enough.

The EIS, too, came out with something on Monday that talked about the level of ASN. I think that we are now up to 46 per cent in some places.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

The local authority might fund them, but that means that poorer families and less-educated families in my constituency cannot hope to get to Donaldson’s.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I accept that a lot is going on and a lot of good things are happening—that is fine. However, you said that some councils have their own special needs school. In my constituency, there are two, but I get a lot more parents coming to me saying, “My kid has not coped at nursery, but they are now going to put him in mainstream primary 1.” Glasgow just does not seem to have available places, and the feeling in Glasgow is certainly that you need to have greater needs in order to get into a special needs school than you might need to have in some other areas.

We need some kind of national plan. Either we get rid of schools such as Donaldson’s and let the councils do it all themselves, or we somehow enable or encourage councils or whatever to refer needy kids to Donaldson’s. I only know Donaldson’s and one that I visited a few years ago—is it called Falkland House school?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I will leave it at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

As you and your team might know, cabinet secretary, we were recently looking at the Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill. As part of our consideration, we visited Donaldson’s school in Edinburgh, which I understand used to be a deaf school—or a school for deaf children—but which now focuses more on ASN, autism and similar issues. It was a really interesting visit, and we saw the school’s great facilities—it is an actual building in a beautiful location with a good number of staff. However, there were hardly any children.

My question, then, is this: where are we going with a school like that? Do we actually need a school like that if there are no kids there? What about the councils? I broadly agree with mainstreaming, but there are kids who seem to need a really special level of school. Those schools exist—we only visited Donaldson’s—but something is not working in that space. We have needy kids in Glasgow who have to stay in Glasgow, either because that is all Glasgow can afford, or because Glasgow thinks that it can do this itself, and here we have a facility that is just sitting there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

Turning to the timescale, I know that we will have a statement in the Parliament this afternoon, so I can ask the questions again then if you do not know the answers. What is the timescale for the review in which Professor Jay is involved? Is there a cost to it? At that point, would a decision be made about whether to hold a public inquiry?

10:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

One of the outcomes of the review might or might not be that there should be a full public inquiry. Is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

What is your opinion on public inquiries? In the finance committee, we have found that some public inquiries can go on for a long time, which can be disappointing for victims, because they might hope to get something a bit more quickly. There is also the question of expense. At the moment, one inquiry in Scotland has cost £50 million and another has cost £100 million. That takes money away from front-line services. Do you feel that public inquiries are often a good thing, or are they a good thing only sometimes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

John Mason

I do not want to cut you off, but we are tight for time. I hope that the committee’s report will come out in the next few weeks, which will cover some of that.

Looking forward, my understanding is that the inquiry that will take place in England will have a time limit of three years and a cost limit of £65 million. In our experience in Scotland, it is a little bit unusual that there should be a time limit. Some judges argue that there should never be a time limit. What are your thoughts on that? Is it realistic?