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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

We are ahead at the moment, though, are we not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

You suggest that we should not raise income tax, in order to give people more money to spend in shops. On the other hand, there seems to be quite a lot of money out there. Given the prices that people were paying to see Taylor Swift, Oasis and, I believe, the Euros—they say that 200,000 people went to Germany for the Euros; if they spent £500 each, that would be £100 million—some people out there have a lot of money. I am not sure that changing their income tax rate would impact on your sales.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Do you accept that there needs to be some redistribution of wealth or income within the population? Some people have a lot of money and can do a lot of luxury things, but other people are in poverty. It is not automatic that, if we grow the economy, people in poverty are helped, is it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

The convener touched on the idea of longer-term planning and the medium-term financial strategy. I was struck by a line in Mr Robinson’s submission that says:

“More will be known following the UK budget expected on 30 October, at which point the Scottish Government must look to see how sustainable its current plans are”.

That suggests that we cannot plan for the future, because, even for the coming year, we are having to wait until 30 October in order to see what the scenario is. The committee has been pushing for more long-term planning from the Scottish Government. Is that unrealistic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

It is on page 6, in answer to question 6.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Could you clarify that? I thought that we had that information—for example, I thought that we knew that social security costs about £1 billion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

I will leave that issue for now; I am sure that we could explore it further.

Professor Bell, you make the point, although others have made it as well, that if we grow the economy, that will help with other priorities. Is that definitely the case? To take an extreme example, if a lot of new businesses started and they were all incorporated and all paid dividends, they would pay corporation tax and tax on the dividends, but we would get the money only if there were employees or self-employed people paying income tax. The nightmare scenario would be that we could grow the economy substantially and get no extra money in Scotland.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Thank you, convener—I was going to ask about that, too. Would Universities Scotland argue that 80 per cent of our population should go to university?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

These days, there is a lot of talk about means testing for personal benefits such as the winter fuel payment. Should we also try to do that with businesses? It strikes me that some small businesses are incredibly profitable while others are struggling. I see the same in the hospitality sector, where some appear to be doing very well and others are very quiet. If we have limited money, should we target it at the businesses that are struggling?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

John Mason

Could you keep your remarks fairly brief? There would be a cost to that, and I think that that is quite a political issue.